# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 26, 2022, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428 "2022-01-26T17:10:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 64
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2023, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1261 "2023-06-21T15:35:18Z")
Does Amazon deliver to prisons? ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2023, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1262 "2023-06-21T17:16:58Z")
Were you going to send him [a gift?](https://dicksbymail.com/?gclid=CjwKCAjwv8qkBhAnEiwAkY-ahlSinPSqZ79NnU6tpXx6Vtj1UzBtcxE0sRCVr7lu-TIAnrEez3F5DRoCv7UQAvD_BwE) ---
**Author:** ![CookingWithGas](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cookingwithgas/32/485_2.png) [@CookingWithGas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CookingWithGas)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2023, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1263 "2023-06-21T18:08:30Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > IANAL, but I think any type of murder charge presumes what’s called “specific intent to kill”. Plenty of (stupid and criminal) people deliberately shoot at other people to frighten and/or injure them, without intending to actually bring about their victim’s death. > > My guess would be that the prosecutor in this case didn’t want to risk not being able to make the murderous-intent part of the charge stick, so they went with the lesser (but also quite serious, AFAICT) charge of felonious assault. IMHO shooting at someone and hitting them is sufficient to presume intent to kill, but what do I know. You are probably correct that that charge was what they thought was the one most likely to result in a conviction. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2023, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1264 "2023-06-21T19:03:35Z")
> [@CookingWithGas](#): > > IMHO shooting at someone and hitting them is sufficient to presume intent to kill, but what do I know. You are probably correct that that charge was what they thought was the one most likely to result in a conviction. And, just as likely as we see in a number of breaking news shootings, they charge first with a slam-dunk charge, and once they’ve gathered more evidence, consider additional charges. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2023, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1265 "2023-06-21T22:28:42Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > My guess would be that the prosecutor in this case didn’t want to risk not being able to make the murderous-intent part of the charge stick, so they went with the lesser (but also quite serious, AFAICT) charge of felonious assault. I would have thought the prosecutor would go with attempted murder with a lesser included charge of felonious assault. Also, the DA has the opportunity to amend/upgrade the charges until the trial starts, I think. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2023, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1266 "2023-06-21T22:41:46Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > IANAL, but I think any type of murder charge presumes what’s called “specific intent to kill”. Plenty of (stupid and criminal) people deliberately shoot at other people to frighten and/or injure them, without intending to actually bring about their victim’s death. So, felonious assault is to attempted murder, as manslaughter is to murder? Is “attempted manslaughter” a thing? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2023, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1267 "2023-06-21T23:23:56Z")
> **[Police say Idaho dad killed neighbors over alleged indecent exposure by...](https://apnews.com/article/idaho-shooting-family-neighbors-exposure-ea4adb194ea619272317d7ca45c33f97)** > > A newly released police document alleges an Idaho father killed a neighboring family because he was upset that the neighbor’s 18-year-old son had reportedly exposed himself to the man’s children. Majorjon Kaylor is charged with four counts of... The man shot Grand-dad, mom and two sons because one of the sons had stood in the window and exposed himself to the girls playing outside. On the one hand, if the girls are deprived of their father (by him ending up in prison), that could be a bad thing. On the other hand, if these girls are deprived of their father, I find it difficult to see a downside. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1268 "2023-06-22T00:06:09Z")
Have you heard about the 2 year old who shot his mother to death? “This happened last week, and investigators are now piecing together how the toddler got his hands on the family’s gun and fired it.” I’m going to wager that this family left a loaded gun where a fucking 2 year old could get his hands on it. Sound fair?? > **[2-year-old accidentally shot, killed pregnant mom with family gun: Police](https://abc7.com/gun-safety-pregnant-woman-shot-norwalk-ohio-norkwalk-news/13410862/)** > > Ohio police say a 2-year-old boy accidentally shot and killed his pregnant mother. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1269 "2023-06-22T00:09:58Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Have you heard about the 2 year old who shot his mother to death? > “This happened last week, and investigators are now piecing together how the toddler got his hands on the family’s gun and fired it.” > > I’m going to wager that this family left a loaded gun where a fucking 2 year old could get his hands on it. Sound fair?? - > > [Ohio shooting: Pregnant woman shot, killed after toddler accidentally shoots gun - ABC7 Los Angeles](https://abc7.com/gun-safety-pregnant-woman-shot-norwalk-ohio-norkwalk-news/13410862/) Sibling rivalry is getting out of hand. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1270 "2023-06-22T00:20:17Z")
“_… accidetally …_” ? no ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1271 "2023-06-22T00:31:00Z")
_…“family gun???”…_ ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1272 "2023-06-22T00:43:17Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > are now piecing together how the toddler got his hands on the family’s gun and fired it. They shouldn’t of used his birthday as the code for the gun safe. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1273 "2023-06-22T01:03:26Z")
For the child that has to live with this the rest of their lives, yes, it was an accident. For the adults who created the situation, no, it was not. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1274 "2023-06-22T01:18:47Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > family gun? Hey, some households have to be frugal, can’t give a gun to every person in the house. ---
**Author:** ![Wallaby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/dc4da7/32.png) [@Wallaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wallaby)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1275 "2023-06-22T02:43:56Z")
Kids these days - they grow up so fast. In my day, we didn’t shoot anyone until we started school. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1276 "2023-06-22T02:48:40Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > So, felonious assault is to attempted murder, as manslaughter is to murder? Is “attempted manslaughter” a thing? Yes, [attempted manslaughter is a thing,](https://www.thehivelaw.com/blog/what-is-attempted-manslaughter/) but we will need a real lawyer to figure out the relationships between the various types of charge. My legally-unqualified self suspects that they can’t be adequately described by that sort of simple linear proportion, though. Anything a layperson can easily comprehend is pretty much guaranteed to be not accurate law, right? ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1277 "2023-06-22T03:12:10Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > The man shot Grand-dad, mom and two sons because one of the sons had stood in the window and exposed himself to the girls playing outside. Actually the son jacked off in front of the girls, but yeah. Unbelievable. I imagine alcohol was involved, but who knows. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1278 "2023-06-22T03:25:55Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > … shouldn’t of … _Argh_. Not on the Dope, man. There are people here who have guns. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1279 "2023-06-22T12:40:20Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > Actually the son jacked off in front of the girls, but yeah. Unbelievable. I imagine alcohol was involved, but who knows. The latest article in the local paper makes it sound purely like vengeance…no alcohol involved. Vigilante justice is still alive in the wild west. I wouldn’t be surprised to see an armed posse ride through my neighborhood soon. FYI, don’t go to electronic music festivals (raves) in countries where guns are easily available. > **[Alleged Gorge shooter hallucinated on mushrooms leading up to shooting, court...](https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2023/jun/21/alleged-gorge-shooter-hallucinated-on-mushrooms-le/)** > > The 26-year-old accused of killing two women and injuring three other people Saturday night near the Gorge Amphitheatre said he was hallucinating on mushrooms and believed the world was ending, according to court documents. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1280 "2023-06-24T13:11:16Z")
A woman who was visiting her boyfriend in El Paso was a passenger in an Uber that was taking her to a casino near the Mexican border. As they drove south, she panicked, thinking that he was going to take her into Mexico, so she shot him in the head. Later he was removed from life support and she is charged with murder. (One article about this is [here](https://www.wbko.com/2023/06/22/police-tompkinsville-woman-now-charged-with-murder-after-uber-driver-dies/).) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428.md?page=63) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428.md?page=65)