# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 26, 2022, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428 "2022-01-26T17:10:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2022, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/141 "2022-04-14T19:30:23Z")
If only the 9 year old had been armed, she could have defended herself from a good guy with a gun. My head explodes. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2022, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/142 "2022-04-14T19:55:57Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > This is so fucked up. Leaving aside the tragedy of the death of such a young girl, Did she die? As best I could tell from the story I read (the NBC story linked by **k9bfriender** above) her injuries didn’t seem so serious. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2022, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/143 "2022-04-14T19:58:19Z")
Sorry I just read the headline, and assumed a 9 year old getting shot 3 times was fatal. My fault for not doing due diligence. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2022, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/144 "2022-04-14T20:32:40Z")
Going after shoplifters with a gun? I like the odds of the insanity plea for the shooter. I would not want to be the insurance of the shop owner. A shoe store manager in a mall is allowed a gun under the counter? What kind of shoes is he selling? I hope the shoe store and the mall get sued for all they have, fuck those idiots. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2022, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/145 "2022-04-14T20:43:34Z")
Pretty sure the lease that the shoe shop has with the mall has some clauses that dump everything on the shoe guy. The owner is screwed. The mall, not so much. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2022, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/146 "2022-04-14T21:12:51Z")
I cannot (as the family of the girl) sue for having negligent safety measures in place? I’m pretty sure a gun in the hands of a fucking shoe salesman counts as a safety risk. I doubt they had signs put up to warn the public that the stores have armed sales clerks. (Which, I think, is weird even in the US) ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2022, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/147 "2022-04-14T21:24:55Z")
Prove the mall was negligent in any way. The law does not require them to search every single employee before they enter. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2022, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/148 "2022-04-15T01:40:03Z")
> [@The\_Librarian](#): > > I like the odds of the insanity plea for the shooter. I don’t. The definition for _insanity_ in a criminal trial is different than the common use definition. Being insane does not automatically make one criminally insane (is that the right term?). ---
**Author:** ![CookingWithGas](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cookingwithgas/32/485_2.png) [@CookingWithGas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CookingWithGas)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2022, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/149 "2022-04-15T14:01:22Z")
IANAL but I think the definition of insanity for legal purposes is that the person is incapable from telling right from wrong, or understanding that they were breaking the law. Jeffrey Dahmer had mental health issues but was found sane for purposes of prosecution, and guilty. But I think we would agree that anybody who would do what he did was “batshit crazy.” ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2022, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/150 "2022-04-15T14:13:44Z")
> [@CookingWithGas](#): > > person is incapable from telling right from wrong, or understanding that they were breaking the law. I think it’s a bit deeper than that, in that they don’t actually understand the consequences of their actions. Just like you wouldn’t prosecute a 2-year old for shooting their sibling, you don’t prosecute someone who isn’t able to understand that their actions will harm others. Not just that they don’t understand that, but that they are incapable of understanding that. This guy was batshit crazy, but he certainly understood that pointing his piece of metal and pulling the trigger was intended to cause harm. That it cause harm to someone other than who he meant to is a very real risk that he had no reason to not understand. Even if he hadn’t hit anybody at all, he should still be prosecuted. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2022, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/151 "2022-04-15T17:23:40Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > > [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > > > what could the shop lifters have possibly stolen that would be worth having their death on his conscience? > > Apparently shoes. May I say, even if he had hit nobody, this does go under Stupid Gun News on a few accounts, beginning with yes, the decision to use deadly armed force against fleeing shoplifters; followed by the decision to do so _inside a Mall, among other shoppers_. > [@Senegoid](#): > > As best I could tell from the story I read (the NBC story linked by **k9bfriender** above) her injuries didn’t seem so serious. Apparently from other reports she did experience a significant fracture, that will take considerable recovery and rehab. > [@silenus](#): > > Pretty sure the lease that the shoe shop has with the mall has some clauses that dump everything on the shoe guy. The owner is screwed. The mall, not so much. Also, from the reports, the man who fired is no mere employee, he is a _co-owner of the business._ > [@The\_Librarian](#): > > I doubt they had signs put up to warn the public that the stores have armed sales clerks. They are under no obligation to do so, heck, unless the lease terms of the storefront specify otherwise, he was under no obligation to tell _them_ . ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2022, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/152 "2022-04-15T18:19:54Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > unless the lease terms of the storefront specify otherwise, he was under no obligation to tell _them_ . It’s not unlikely that the mall has a gun free policy, and as part of the lease terms, employees (including owners) are not allowed to be armed. I have no idea if that’s the case here, but I do know that it’s the case in a local mall nearby that I worked at forever ago. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2022, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/153 "2022-04-15T18:25:02Z")
Calling batshit crazy people batshit crazy is an insult to actual batshit. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2022, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/154 "2022-04-15T18:50:31Z")
Fair enough, I suppose apologies to @GuanoLad are in order. ---
**Author:** ![CookingWithGas](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cookingwithgas/32/485_2.png) [@CookingWithGas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CookingWithGas)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2022, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/155 "2022-04-17T12:11:47Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > he certainly understood that pointing his piece of metal and pulling the trigger was intended to cause harm Oh, I agree. He has no defense whatsoever. It was gross negligence with flagrant disregard for human life. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2022, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/156 "2022-04-20T00:12:47Z")
> **[Police: Gun retrieved from bathroom stall at Oakley Kroger](https://www.wlwt.com/article/gun-bathroom-stall-oakley-kroger/39753903)** > > Cincinnati police officers retrieved a gun that was left in a bathroom stall at the Oakley Kroger over the weekend. I suppose if it is reunited with its owner, it’ll be positive gun news. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2022, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/157 "2022-04-20T11:55:16Z")
Man, Clemenza is going to be in big trouble with the Don. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2022, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/158 "2022-04-20T12:47:55Z")
At least they took the cannoli. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2022, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/159 "2022-04-20T20:03:47Z")
I have indeed watched too many **Law and Order** episodes. Someone killed someone else with that gun. He has made sure that no prints are on it. Abandons it in a place where it likely to be picked up. The first person that picks up the gun and doesn’t have a rock solid alibi is ‘the killer’ in the eyes of the law. Actual killer walks away scott free. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2022, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/160 "2022-04-21T02:30:06Z")
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