# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 26, 2022, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428 "2022-01-26T17:10:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 92
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2025, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1821 "2025-02-05T14:53:30Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Yet another example of the dangers of . . . marijuana use! Given it is Utah, I’m not surprised that the weed angle or the sobriety angle was played up. “Why guns didn’t kill that man. Weed did.” /s Without alcohol or weed to blame, I have no doubt that they would have listed in the article that coffee was found by detectives hidden in their kitchen. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2025, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1822 "2025-02-05T15:11:23Z")
I was going to give them credit for at least attempting to use an unloaded gun for the test, until I realized that pointing a finger and going **BANG!** would test this skill just as well as an unloaded gun. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2025, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1823 "2025-02-05T16:42:42Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > attempting to use an unloaded gun for the test Apparently, it was a _mostly_ unloaded gun. So, maybe the guy is only _mostly_ dead. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2025, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1824 "2025-02-05T16:54:16Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > > [@Cheesesteak](#): > > > > attempting to use an unloaded gun for the test > > Apparently, it was a _mostly_ unloaded gun. So, maybe the guy is only _mostly_ dead. - Where’s Miracle Max when you need him? ---
**Author:** ![CookingWithGas](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cookingwithgas/32/485_2.png) [@CookingWithGas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CookingWithGas)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2025, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1825 "2025-02-05T17:17:31Z")
Kind of a twist on the usual Russian roulette. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2025, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1826 "2025-02-05T17:51:06Z")
> [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](#): > > Given it is Utah, I’m not surprised that the weed angle or the sobriety angle was played up. “Why guns didn’t kill that man. Weed did.” /s To be fair, the dude _did_ get smoked. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2025, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1827 "2025-02-05T17:58:43Z")
> [@CookingWithGas](#): > > Kind of a twist on the usual Russian roulette. I swear I’ve seen a video of Russian soldiers, probably Spetsnaz, testing their body armor by shooting each other. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2025, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1828 "2025-02-05T18:16:12Z")
Arkansas (Texas’s little beaten down brother). Good guy with a gun stops crime sort of story. Typo in the story says “not facing charges…” should be “now facing charges…” No mention of where the boy got his multiple weapons or where he was going. Since he survived the apprehension, I suspect he passed the Peter Griffin comparison chart. > **[AR-Wielding 15-Year-Old Tries To Joyride A Private Jet](https://jalopnik.com/ar-wielding-15-year-old-tries-to-joyride-a-private-jet-1851755883)** > > The armed teenager was peacefully stopped by a private pilot with a gun at Texarkana Regional Airport ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2025, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1829 "2025-02-05T19:10:07Z")
Private jet? They have cabins which are pressurised, yes? It might be hard to breathe should one of those take off with a clip/magazine of holes through cabin I’ve heard. That, and if you shoot the pilot and/or pop holes through the cockpit controls, ‘flight control’ might just be difficult. Please note that I never once mentioned that bad things might happen if bullets or fire are introduced to [full-but-leaking tanks of jet fuel](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0Tt7VUMLs8). ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2025, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1830 "2025-02-05T20:05:14Z")
AR-15 rounds are .223, which means that, in terms of width, they are a tiny bit larger than good old .22 rounds. They are somewhat less likely to penetrate airplane cabin/fuselage walls. When they penetrate soft things, like body parts, they tend to tumble, causing major damage, but when they hit hard things like airplane surfaces, usually a bit less. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2025, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1831 "2025-02-05T20:13:09Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > AR-15 rounds are .223, which means that, in terms of width, they are a tiny bit larger than good old .22 rounds. Here’s why that doesn’t mean what you, and I used to, think it means, [![](https://firingpins.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/download1.jpg) ](https://firingpins.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/download1.jpg) [![](https://cdnammoclub.ammoforsale.com/ammo-club/media/22lr-bullet-vs-223-bullet.jpg) ](https://cdnammoclub.ammoforsale.com/ammo-club/media/22lr-bullet-vs-223-bullet.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2025, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1832 "2025-02-05T20:13:55Z")
I think that this is when the AR-15 fan-boy cheer leader types jump in and say, “Oh good gracious no…! Saints preserve us! What the AR-15 can be chambered in any number of crappy calibers. Why, I’ve heard that there are even some sheep-shagging bearded hillbillies that shoot them up to .50 caliber.” ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2025, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1833 "2025-02-05T20:21:28Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > > [@eschereal](#): > > > > AR-15 rounds are .223, which means that, in terms of width, they are a tiny bit larger than good old .22 rounds. > > Here’s why that doesn’t mean what you, and I used to, think it means, - > > [Firing Pins: Image](https://firingpins.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/download1.jpg) > > [https://cdnammoclub.ammoforsale.com/ammo-club/media/22lr-bullet-vs-223-bullet.jpg](https://cdnammoclub.ammoforsale.com/ammo-club/media/22lr-bullet-vs-223-bullet.jpg) To put some numbers to it, the .22LR runs about 100-125 ft-lbs while the .223 goes 1,000-1,300 ft-lbs at the muzzle depending on bullet weight and velocity. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2025, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1834 "2025-02-05T20:52:16Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > but when they hit hard things like airplane surfaces, usually a bit less. I put a .223 round through a 1/4 in thick steel plate. Made a nice clean hole. .223 \<\> .22 ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2025, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1835 "2025-02-05T23:35:40Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > I put a .223 round through a 1/4 in thick steel plate. Made a nice clean hole. > > .223 \<\> .22 I’m not sure that I should clap. I mean you are helping to finance the American Gun Machine. ---
**Author:** ![Tride](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tride/32/13907_2.png) [@Tride](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tride)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2025, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1836 "2025-02-05T23:50:12Z")
You’ll find they are far from alone here, although I spent my big money 20 years ago (I did buy a Judge and some .410 ammo last year, however). ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2025, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1837 "2025-02-05T23:51:24Z")
And aircraft skins are usually very thin, in order to save weight. Given any random airplane and any random gun, I’d expect the bullet to probably penetrate. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2025, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1838 "2025-02-06T00:01:29Z")
But would a single 5.56mm hole in the skin of a business jet cause it to crash? If not, how many would? ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2025, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1839 "2025-02-06T00:02:56Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Man says “_Check it out: I have an amazing ability to dodge bullets!_” Friend [checks it out](https://www.odditycentral.com/news/man-arrested-for-testing-friends-bullet-dodging-abilities-with-fatal-consequences.html). Seems awfully easy to _claim_ that’s what transpired, and only get charged with second-degree felony manslaughter instead of first-degree murder. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2025, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428/1840 "2025-02-06T01:23:39Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > But would a single 5.56mm hole in the skin of a business jet cause it to crash? If not, how many would? Well, let’s say it was at a high altitude at the time… and that Rump was inside. Would the change in weight affect flight control? > **[Imgflip](https://imgflip.com/i/9j7xcr)** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428.md?page=91) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-2/958428.md?page=93)