# Stupid Islam News of the Day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 8, 2017, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030 "2017-04-08T01:09:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Kyomara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8edcca/32.png) [@Kyomara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyomara)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2017, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/41 "2017-04-08T06:46:45Z")
> [@Rick\_Sanchez](#): > > This kind of sophistry is profoundly irritating. Islam has a problem with terrorism that other religions, at this moment in history, simply don’t have. While Christian, Buddhist, and Hindu societies occasionally produce terrorists, the Islamic world has a seemingly inexhaustible supply of them, and this is a fact which needs to be acknowledged before any honest discussion of the problem of religious violence can be held. > > Also, you stupidly muddy the waters by bringing race into it, as though the OP is insinuating that the crucial variable is the colour of a person’s skin rather than the bronze-aged dogmas they’re carrying around in their head. What do you propose? Eradication of an entire religion? Because a tiny percentage of its adherents claim to be carrying out terrorist attacks in its name? Why would you judge an entire population based on the attitudes of a small minority? Don’t you think it makes a lot more sense to judge it based on the majority? ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2017, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/42 "2017-04-08T06:59:10Z")
> [@Kyomara](#): > > What do you propose? Eradication of an entire religion? Because a tiny percentage of its adherents claim to be carrying out terrorist attacks in its name? Why would you judge an entire population based on the attitudes of a small minority? Don’t you think it makes a lot more sense to judge it based on the majority? How about lowering Muslim immigration to the West, and letting other Muslims know that until international jihad stop spreading, we’re not admitting them. We also must not appease anyone; the violent ones will only back down from strength. If when you say “do you propose…Eradication of an entire religion?” you mean eradicating the people that practice it, that’s what you liberals always accuse conservatives of wanting. No serious people want that kind of thing. Even for the one or two voices who say stuff like “turn the ME into glass,” its a figure of speech and there are no people in power to make it a realistic possibility, so no, there is no analog to “death to America,” if you were gonna make such a comparison. Even if there are only a small number of people who will be violent Islamists, they got their worldview from somewhere, someone and some society let it continue and grow, etc. Why are nearly all the countries in which apostasy and conversion away from majority religion illegal Muslim majority nations? [Oh, here’s a new addition to the thread](http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Palestinian-TV-If-you-have-to-beat-your-wife-follow-Quranic-instructions-486344). ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2017, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/43 "2017-04-08T07:29:27Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > …Why are nearly all the countries in which apostasy and conversion away from majority religion illegal Muslim majority nations?.. The police called. Your English Comp 101 teacher is on a ledge, threatening to jump. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2017, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/44 "2017-04-08T07:41:16Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > \ > \*My \*[Donanald\](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spDWaeBE2AY)! Or, maybe, [Dolan Duck](https://www.google.com/search?q=dolan+duck&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwj1l7jNrZTTAhXI5SYKHVhAA2EQ_AUIBigB&biw=1600&bih=770) ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2017, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/45 "2017-04-08T07:42:18Z")
1 x late adolescent/young adult Add second generation Add living in a region of high unemployment Add then a BIG CUPFUL of disengagement Stir the mix, let it brew for a while Add a bit of ISIS propaganda, stir the mix and let it brew a bit more. And then BOOM…you have the perfect recipe!! ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2017, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/46 "2017-04-08T08:50:19Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > How about lowering Muslim immigration to the West, and letting other Muslims know that until international jihad stop spreading, we’re not admitting them. How about _not_ throwing the First Amendment in the trash because your short unattractive ass is scared of the big bad (and probably taller than you and getting hotter girls) Muslims? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2017, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/47 "2017-04-08T10:11:40Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > How about lowering Muslim immigration to the West, and letting other Muslims know that until international jihad stop spreading, we’re not admitting them. We also must not appease anyone; the violent ones will only back down from strength. > > If when you say “do you propose…Eradication of an entire religion?” you mean eradicating the people that practice it, that’s what you liberals always accuse conservatives of wanting. No serious people want that kind of thing. Even for the one or two voices who say stuff like “turn the ME into glass,” its a figure of speech and there are no people in power to make it a realistic possibility, so no, there is no analog to “death to America,” if you were gonna make such a comparison. > > Even if there are only a small number of people who will be violent Islamists, they got their worldview from somewhere, someone and some society let it continue and grow, etc. Why are nearly all the countries in which apostasy and conversion away from majority religion illegal Muslim majority nations? > > [Oh, here’s a new addition to the thread](http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Palestinian-TV-If-you-have-to-beat-your-wife-follow-Quranic-instructions-486344). Stupid bigoted cowards like yourself should stay away from such topics. Go back to eating paste, moron. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Sanchez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e19adc/32.png) [@Rick\_Sanchez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2017, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/48 "2017-04-08T11:21:54Z")
[QUOTE=Mr. Miskatonic] Meaning it hits a nerve. [/quote] No, meaning it’s dumb as shit. > [@](#): > > Christianity certainly has more than its fair share of terrorists. They just have a different label or official sanction: The Christian militias of Lebanon, (which got accused of genocide by the UN), The Aryan Brotherhood, the Army Of God, the KKK, the innumerable Abortion clinic bombers & attackers, the Lord’s Resistance Army, the almost infinite number of Christian doomsday cults in the US, the Phinneas Priesthood, The Concerned Christians, The Sovereign Citizen movement, The ‘Ethnic cleansing’ against Muslims in the former Yugoslavia etc., etc. A drop in the ocean compared to Islamic terrorism. For one thing, the number of abortion clinic bombers and attackers in America is not “innumerable”. The number is actually very easy to find. [It’s 84](https://prochoice.org/education-and-advocacy/violence/violence-statistics-and-history/). 84 attacks on abortion clinics in the US since 1997, with a total of 11 fatalities. If you want to extend the scope beyond US borders you will, of course, have to include all the abortion clinic attacks carried out by Muslim extremists as well. For another thing, the Aryan Brotherhood is not a Christian organisation. Most of its members are (nominally) Christian, but it’s open to non-Christians, too. any members ascribe to Asatru, a neo-Pagan variant of pre-Christian Odinism, and as far as I’m aware, there’s nothing stopping an atheist from becoming a member, so long as he’s white. How many neo-pagans and atheists are fighting for ISIS at the moment? I’ll give you a clue: It’s roughly between zero and fuck all. For yet another thing, the Concerned Christians haven’t actually carried out any terror attacks. Some of its members were deported from Israel on suspicion of planning an attack on the Al-Aqsa mosque, but this is a charge the group vehemently denies. In any case, they haven’t actually committed any terror attacks. For yet, _yet_ another thing, the Sovereign Citizen movement, while it may have its roots in the Christian ‘Posse Comitatus’ movement, is simply the name given to people who believe they are only answerable to their own interpretation of common law. It’s perfectly possible to be a Jewish Sovereign Citizen, a Muslim Sovereign Citizen, an atheist Sovereign citizen etc… The fact that you’ve had to bolster your list with such sad examples proves my point, rather than yours. Here, for the purposes of comparison, is a (partial) list of Islamic terror groups: Abu Nidal Organisation Aby Sayyaf Group Gama’a al Islamiyya Hamas Harakat ul-Mujahidin Hezbollah Palestinian Liberation Front Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (_‘splitters!’_) Islamic Jihad PLFP Al-Qaeda Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan Jaish-e-Mohammed Lashkar-e-Tayyiba Al-Aqsa Martyr’s Brigade Asbat an-Ansar Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb Jemaah Islamiya Organisation Lashkar i Jhangvi Al-Qaeda Kurdish Battallions ISIS Islamic Jihad Union Harkat-ul Jihad al-Islami Al-Shabaab Kata’ib Hezbollah Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami The Taliban Army of Islam Indian Mujahideen Jamaah Ansharut Tauhid Haqqani network Boko Haram Ansar al-Shari’a in Benghazi Al-Nusra Front I’ve taken the liberty of including only those groups designated as terrorist organisation by the US Defence department as of March 2017. Unfortunately, I got bored and stopped about half-way through. It’s also worth noting that even if we combined all your examples and pseudo-examples, they wouldn’t pose one tenth of one percent of as much of a threat to global stability as ISIS alone. > [@](#): > > This ‘fact’ is a lot of projection. No it isn’t. > [@](#): > > I didn’t bring race into the conversation. Besides my comment about mining helmets and meshbacks (which is more an attack on panicky ruralites who most terrorists don’t even bother with) I did not do so. They why mention Dylan Roof? He was motivated exclusively by race. He attacked a _Church_, for crying out loud. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Sanchez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e19adc/32.png) [@Rick\_Sanchez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2017, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/49 "2017-04-08T11:25:29Z")
> [@Kyomara](#): > > What do you propose? Eradication of an entire religion? Because a tiny percentage of its adherents claim to be carrying out terrorist attacks in its name? I’d like to see a secular _reformation_ of Islam, just like Christianity has experienced. Who _wouldn’t,_ at this point? > [@](#): > > Why would you judge an entire population based on the attitudes of a small minority? I didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2017, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/50 "2017-04-08T11:39:06Z")
The Ultimate Student Snack (or, what to eat when you’re too lazy to throw shit in the microwave) : Ingredients : - a chunk of hard cheese you like. Comté, Gouda, Mimolette, Emmental (that’s “Swiss” for y’alls who use the word “y’alls”), literally anything works. One notable exception : Parmegiano. It’s both too hard and too flavourful/salty. - some kind of preserved meat product. Pastrami (beef or turkey), cured ham, bundesfleisch, salted pork, jerky of any sort, carpaccio… Bacon probably works, but then you’d have to cook it which defeats the whole purpose. - tear the cheese into bite-sized chunks. Note that I didn’t say “cut” or “dice” or whatever the fuck. This is a desk dish. You have your cheese on the one side, your meat on the other, no plate or utenstil of any kind. Just use your lazyass hands. - pick one bite-sized bit of cheese. Pick one slice of meat. Roll the cheese inside the meat like you’re rolling a cigarette. Pop it into your mouth. Repeat until not hungry. Any leftovers can either go back in the fridge or sit on your desk until the next time you get peckish (the cheese will get all mushy and sweaty, but _it’s almost even better that way_). No dishes, no cleaning, no hassle, no effort. All the protein a young man needs to grow. What more do you want ? What else could you possibly want to eat ? \ Are you not tastily nourished ? \ (lawyer mandated disclaimer : \*\*do \*\*eat something else once in a while, something with a leaf of green shit on it or something at least, or you’ll get vitamin deficiencies up the arse ETA (and for the love of God, don’t add any salt. You’re already eating enough to turn your bladder into the Dead Sea.) ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2017, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/51 "2017-04-08T11:44:38Z")
The Ultimate Student Snack (or, what to eat when you’re too lazy to throw shit in the microwave) : Ingredients : - a chunk of hard cheese you like. Comté, Gouda, Mimolette, Emmental (that’s “Swiss” for y’alls who use the word “y’alls”), literally anything works. One notable exception : Parmegiano. It’s both too hard and too flavourful/salty. - some kind of preserved meat product. Pastrami (beef or turkey), cured ham, bundesfleisch, salted pork, jerky of any sort, carpaccio, bresaola… Bacon probably works, but then you’d have to cook it which defeats the whole purpose. - tear the cheese into bite-sized chunks. Note that I didn’t say “cut” or “dice” or whatever the fuck. This is a desk dish. You have your cheese on the one side, your meat on the other, no plate or utenstil of any kind. Just use your lazyass hands. - pick one bite-sized bit of cheese. Pick one slice of meat. Roll the cheese inside the meat like you’re rolling a cigarette. Pop it into your mouth. Repeat until not hungry. Any leftovers can either go back in the fridge or sit on your desk until the next time you get peckish (the cheese will get all mushy and sweaty, but _it’s almost even better that way_). No dishes, no cleaning, no hassle, no effort. All the protein a young man needs to grow. What more do you want ? What else could you possibly want to eat ? \ Are you not tastily nourished ? \ (lawyer mandated disclaimer : \*\*do \*\*eat something else once in a while, something with a leaf of green shit on it or something at least, or you’ll get vitamin deficiencies up the arse ETA (and for the love of God, don’t add any salt. You’re already eating enough to turn your bladder into the Dead Sea.) ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2017, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/52 "2017-04-08T12:18:26Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > people made fun of our Donald for pointing out the problems in Sweden. What do y’all think of what DID just happen there? Hoorah!! There was a terrorist attack in Sweden! Yippeee!! (And Trump was still wrong about what he spoke of, you stupid, stupid person.) ---
**Author:** ![Troy\_McClure](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/51bf81/32.png) [@Troy\_McClure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troy_McClure)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2017, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/53 "2017-04-08T18:50:57Z")
> [@russian\_heel](#): > > Knowing Me, Knowing you the driver, whose name is allegedly Fermando was not One of Us but a radicalized Muslim. > > He went to ISIS and said “I Have a Dream…Take a Chance On Me”. They said “Does Your Mother Know”? He said no but the Name of the Game is ISIS doesn’t like Westerners especially gays and said he had a plot to kill a Dancing Queen or two. > > Like a Super Trouper, he drove a beer truck into a high end department store and everyone said “Mamma Mia!” and an S.O.S. was sent. It appears the store lost Money, Money, Money and Sweden has met its Waterloo in this Winner Takes All battle with terror. > Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I will admit I laughed. ---
**Author:** ![Beren\_Erchamion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/90ced4/32.png) [@Beren\_Erchamion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beren_Erchamion)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2017, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/54 "2017-04-08T19:58:31Z")
> [@Rick\_Sanchez](#): > > This kind of sophistry is profoundly irritating. Islam has a problem with terrorism that other religions, at this moment in history, simply don’t have. Incorrect. Islam doesn’t have the problem. Regions that happen to be predominantly Islamic have the problem. The terrorism would come regardless of religion, because it’s a response to generations and centuries of European terrorism against the people in those parts of the world. It only takes on an Islamic veneer because the people there just happen to be predominantly Muslims; if Christianity or Rastafarianism or Discordianism were predominant in those parts of the world, you’d be screaming bloody murder about that instead. ---
**Author:** ![Beren\_Erchamion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/90ced4/32.png) [@Beren\_Erchamion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beren_Erchamion)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2017, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/55 "2017-04-08T19:59:33Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > How about lowering Muslim immigration to the West, and letting other Muslims know that until international jihad stop spreading, we’re not admitting them. We also must not appease anyone; the violent ones will only back down from strength. So you want _more_ terrorism? Because that’s how you get more terrorism. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Sanchez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e19adc/32.png) [@Rick\_Sanchez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2017, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/56 "2017-04-08T20:18:44Z")
> [@Beren\_Erchamion](#): > > Incorrect. > > Islam doesn’t have the problem. > > Regions that happen to be predominantly Islamic have the problem. The terrorism would come regardless of religion, because it’s a response to generations and centuries of European terrorism against the people in those parts of the world. It only takes on an Islamic veneer because the people there just happen to be predominantly Muslims; if Christianity or Rastafarianism or Discordianism were predominant in those parts of the world, you’d be screaming bloody murder about that instead. If that’s the case, where are the Tibetan Buddhist suicide bombers? The Tibetans have experienced oppression on par with anything the Palestinians have experienced. Why is there no Tibetan version of Al-Qaeda, or ISIS? Why do the Tibetans, rather than committing acts of terrorism designed to maximise civilian casualties, practise _self-immolation?_ The answer is simply that it’s very difficult for them to justify suicidal terrorism, given their metaphysical beliefs. For Islamists and Jihadis? Not so much. Scriptures matter. Beliefs have consequences. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Sanchez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e19adc/32.png) [@Rick\_Sanchez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2017, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/57 "2017-04-08T20:24:39Z")
All that said, **Derek** is still an idiot. Let’s not lose sight of that. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2017, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/58 "2017-04-08T20:31:29Z")
> [@Rick\_Sanchez](#): > > All that said, **Derek** is still an idiot. Let’s not lose sight of that. I slept wrong on my neck last night and I’m unable to bend my neck downward. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2017, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/59 "2017-04-08T20:33:32Z")
> [@Rick\_Sanchez](#): > > If that’s the case, where are the Tibetan Buddhist suicide bombers? They seem to not have studied the Hindu Tamils as the al Qaeda did. > [@](#): > > The answer is simply that it’s very difficult for them to justify suicidal terrorism, given their metaphysical beliefs. For Islamists and Jihadis? Not so much. This only indicates you have zero knowledge of the traditional strong Islamic aversion to suicide and suicidal actions. > [@](#): > > Scriptures matter. Beliefs have consequences. Stated by someone who evidently knows little of either of these sets of religious beliefs and makes an ad hoc analysis. The Takfiri movement created a whole new and innovative theological analysis to sell the haram idea of suicide attacks. The organizations and the ideologies matter. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Sanchez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e19adc/32.png) [@Rick\_Sanchez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2017, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/60 "2017-04-08T20:47:29Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > They seem to not have studied the Hindu Tamils as the al Qaeda did. Did I say suicide bombing was _exclusive_ to Islamic extremists? No I did not. > [@Ramira](#): > > This only indicates you have zero knowledge of the traditional strong Islamic aversion to suicide and suicidal actions. Do Islamists and Jihadis generally concur with this traditional interpretation? > [@Ramira](#): > > Stated by someone who evidently knows little of either of these sets of religious beliefs and makes an ad hoc analysis. You don’t need to be an expert to point out the bleeding obvious. > [@Ramira](#): > > The Takfiri movement created a whole new and innovative theological analysis to sell the haram idea of suicide attacks. And I take it you’d agree the people who buy into this analysis genuinely believe it to be true, yes? If so, then…well, that’s my whole point! I’ll say it again, scriptures matter. Beliefs have consequences. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030.md?page=4)