# Stupid Islam News of the Day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 8, 2017, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030 "2017-04-08T01:09:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2017, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/61 "2017-04-08T20:57:00Z")
> [@Rick\_Sanchez](#): > > All that said, **Derek** is still an idiot. Let’s not lose sight of that. There is no call for insulting idiots. ---
**Author:** ![Beren\_Erchamion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/90ced4/32.png) [@Beren\_Erchamion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beren_Erchamion)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2017, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/62 "2017-04-08T20:59:04Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > They seem to not have studied the Hindu Tamils as the al Qaeda did. > > This only indicates you have zero knowledge of the traditional strong Islamic aversion to suicide and suicidal actions. Also of how religion functions as a sociocultural phenomenon. Generally, people shape religious traditions to themselves and not the other way around. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2017, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/63 "2017-04-08T20:59:58Z")
> [@Rick\_Sanchez](#): > > Did I say suicide bombing was _exclusive_ to Islamic extremists? No I did not. No you did not, nor did my reply in any way suggest that you did. I only indicated that the Tibetans do no have an organization that decided to study and to copy the Tamil tigers. The takfiri salafisism did. > [@](#): > > Do Islamists and Jihadis generally concur with this traditional interpretation? Islamist =/= “jihadi” Until the modern takfiri salafism invented over the period of the 1980s-1990s, there was been centuries of the consensus of the extreme aversion to the idea of the suicidal actions and attacks. The invention of the justification of the idea of the suicide attacks / bombing came from the desire to find weapons to overcome the weakness and their desire to use the violence against the " apostate " culture they claimed was all around them. So the Tamil tigers model was then justified by the reinterpretation > [@](#): > > You don’t need to be an expert to point out the bleeding obvious. No, you only need not to be an ignorant idiot making false statements based on a superifical pseudo-knowledge, not knowing as is clear anything effective about either of these creeds. > [@](#): > > And I take it you’d agree the people who buy into this analysis genuinely believe it to be true, yes? If so, then…well, that’s my whole point! I’ll say it again, scriptures matter. Beliefs have consequences. Your whole point is a complete failure. There is no " scripture" support, the concept is a recent invention created in the whole cloth for the immediate goals of the very marginal takfir movement in the salafism If " scripture " is the driver as you stupidly pretend in ignorance, there would not be the suicide bombers. But there are after a certain ideological fringe invented a tortured reinterpretation of old concepts and changed meanings. So it is the organizations and the ideologies that matter, the scripture gave way to their needs. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2017, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/64 "2017-04-08T21:09:27Z")
These recipe threads suck! There is no way to search for specific dishes. You gotta wade through the sewer to get a good meal planned! ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2017, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/65 "2017-04-08T21:12:45Z")
> [@Rick\_Sanchez](#): > > If that’s the case, where are the Tibetan Buddhist suicide bombers? The Tibetans have experienced oppression on par with anything the Palestinians have experienced. Why is there no Tibetan version of Al-Qaeda, or ISIS? Why do the Tibetans, rather than committing acts of terrorism designed to maximise civilian casualties, practise _self-immolation?_ The answer is simply that it’s very difficult for them to justify suicidal terrorism, given their metaphysical beliefs. For Islamists and Jihadis? Not so much. > > Scriptures matter. Beliefs have consequences. You’re right. Christianity would have been a much better example. > [@](#): > > “I’m driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, ‘George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.’ And I did, and then God would tell me, ‘George go and end the tyranny in Iraq,’ and I did.” -George W. Bush Killing civilians under the guise of the state is no different than killing civilians for any other reason. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Sanchez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e19adc/32.png) [@Rick\_Sanchez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2017, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/66 "2017-04-08T22:08:49Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > No you did not, nor did my reply in any way suggest that you did. I’m guessing from your rather _idiosyncratic_ application of the rules of grammar that you’re not a native English speaker. Trust me, you suggested exactly that. > [@](#): > > I only indicated that the Tibetans do no have an organization that decided to study and to copy the Tamil tigers. But let’s say they did. How would the Buddhists justify the application of those tactics in religious terms? > [@](#): > > The takfiri salafisism did. So Salafism makes no reference to scripture? None at all? They just went straight from reading ‘Dummies Guide to the Tamil Tigers’ to Al-Qaeda with no intermediary steps? Sounds to me like you’re an absolutist who thinks your interpretation is _ipso facto_ correct. > [@](#): > > Islamist =/= “jihadi” I know that. Do you deny the existence of Islamists who approve of Jihadi tactics? If not, I don’t see why you’re pointing this out. > [@](#): > > Until the modern takfiri salafism invented over the period of the 1980s-1990s, there was been centuries of the consensus of the extreme aversion to the idea of the suicidal actions and attacks. And on what do these Salafists base their counterarguments? The Bible? The Bhagavad Gita? Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince? What, specifically, are they using to challenge this longstanding consensus? > [@](#): > > The invention of the justification of the idea of the suicide attacks / bombing came from the desire to find weapons to overcome the weakness… Cite, please? Forgive my skepticism, but you really do seem like you’re just making this shit up as you go along. > [@](#): > > …and their desire to use the violence against the " apostate " culture they claimed was all around them. So the Tamil tigers model was then justified by the reinterpretation. Whether or not someone is an apostate is an _explicitly_ religious concern. If you take their religious beliefs out of the equation, this desire makes absolutely no sense. > [@](#): > > No, you only need not to be an ignorant idiot making false statements based on a superifical pseudo-knowledge, not knowing as is clear anything effective about either of these creeds. With all due respect (which is to say, no respect whatsoever), I doubt you actually have the foggiest idea what my argument actually is. > [@](#): > > There is no “scripture” support, the concept is a recent invention created in the whole cloth for the immediate goals of the very marginal takfir movement in the salafism Jihadis cite scripture _all the time_. You can disagree with their interpretation of it, but you can’t deny they’re motivated by their religious beliefs. > [@](#): > > If “scripture” is the driver as you stupidly pretend in ignorance, there would not be the suicide bombers. > > But there are after a certain ideological fringe invented a tortured reinterpretation of old concepts and changed meanings. Tortured _in your opinion_. In _their_ opinion, _you’re_ the one who’s got it wrong. Besides, if you grant that Islamists and Jihadis are motivated by a “tortured” interpretation of scripture, _you can’t turn around and say in the same fucking breath that there is no scriptural support for what they do!_ ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Sanchez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e19adc/32.png) [@Rick\_Sanchez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2017, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/67 "2017-04-08T22:10:35Z")
[QUOTE=Blank Slate] Killing civilians under the guise of the state is no different than killing civilians for any other reason. [/QUOTE] Really? Which, in your opinion, has historically shown itself to be more susceptible to change when confronted with new information, foreign policy, or religious dogma? ---
**Author:** ![Beren\_Erchamion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/90ced4/32.png) [@Beren\_Erchamion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beren_Erchamion)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2017, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/68 "2017-04-08T22:14:35Z")
> [@Rick\_Sanchez](#): > > Really? Which, in your opinion, has historically shown itself to be more susceptible to change when confronted with new information, foreign policy, or religious dogma? Inasmuch as the Catholic Church isn’t sponsoring Crusades anymore while states are still launching wars… ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Sanchez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e19adc/32.png) [@Rick\_Sanchez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2017, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/69 "2017-04-08T22:15:43Z")
> [@Beren\_Erchamion](#): > > Inasmuch as the Catholic Church isn’t sponsoring Crusades anymore while states are still launching wars… I’m gonna throw this one open to the crowd. First person to spot the fallacy wins five bucks. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2017, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/70 "2017-04-08T22:19:02Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > …-George W. Bush… My respect for the man being what it isn’t, I’m inclined to buy without inspection. Nonetheless, others have higher standards. I’m willing to pretend that I do too. Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2017, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/71 "2017-04-08T22:36:16Z")
> [@Rick\_Sanchez](#): > > I’m guessing from your rather _idiosyncratic_ application of the rules of grammar that you’re not a native English speaker. Trust me, you suggested exactly that. No I did not, I pointed out the organizational learning and the sourcing of a model from one organization with a motivation to another. > [@](#): > > But let’s say they did. How would the Buddhists justify the application of those tactics in religious terms? by whatever means a budhdhist terror organization found convenient and effective, just as the takfiri salafistes > [@](#): > > So Salafism makes no reference to scripture? None at all? So you decide to build the mountainous straw man to try to distract? I stated no such thing at all. The takfiri of course take old sources and radically reinterpret and change the meaning to sell their ideas If " scripture " was the source of the action, it would never have been a haram thing. the texts did not change, only a new and a radically different meaning and direction. It renders the idea " scripture " matters stupid and nonsensical. > [@](#): > > Sounds to me like you’re an absolutist who thinks your interpretation is _ipso facto_ correct. It sounds to me you are a bullshitter who is seeking to distract via stawmen and bullshit statements. > [@](#): > > Do you deny the existence of Islamists who approve of Jihadi tactics? This is a stupid and nonsensical question. the majority of the movements that are called Islamist, as the Muslim Brotherhood reject the takfiri philosophy. They are not close to synonyms, any more than Conservative Republican is synonym to Nazi or to Fascist. But idiot partisans do like to put them together. > [@](#): > > If not, I don’t see why you’re pointing this out. Because stupid person, to put the " jihadi" and the Islamist in the same sentence is to make the implication there are a pair. I have no further use for this idiot, bigots will believe in ignorance what they want. The suicide was a deeply forbidden thing for 1400 years of the islamic history, that in the past two decades the tortured assertions of the Takfiri have made it a tractic says nothing about a scripture, it says only something about the organization and the ideological group that promoted the radical revisionism. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2017, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/72 "2017-04-08T22:59:25Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Cure for the common cold: > > 1oz southern comfort > 1oz amaretto > Slice of fresh ginger > Lemon wedge or peel > Over one or two ice cubes > Enjoy and turn in early. Thank goodness, I sneezed twice today! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2017, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/73 "2017-04-09T03:57:22Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Thank goodness, I sneezed twice today! Could be an allergy, three ice cubes. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2017, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/74 "2017-04-09T05:39:21Z")
[BUTTER DROP INS](http://www.cooks.com/recipe/95jx5r6/butter-drop-ins.html) 1/2 c. Butter Flavor Crisco 3/4 c. granulated sugar 1 tbsp. milk 1 egg 1/2 tsp. vanilla 1 1/4 c. all-purpose flour 1/4 tsp. salt 1/4 tsp. baking powder Heat oven to 375 degrees. Grease baking sheets with Butter Flavor Crisco. Set aside. Cream 1/2 cup Butter Flavor Crisco, granulated sugar and 1 tablespoon milk in medium bowl at medium speed of electric mixer until well blended. Beat in egg and 1/2 teaspoon vanilla. Combine flour, salt and baking powder. Mix into creamed mixture. Drop level measuring tablespoons 2 inches apart onto baking sheet. Bake at 375 degrees F. for 7 to 9 minutes. Remove to cooling rack. (My mom used to make these for me all the time as a kid. She used her own recipe for icing, though) ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2017, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/75 "2017-04-09T06:11:22Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > \*\*Easy Grapefruit Pie > > Ingredients:\*\* > > ``` > 1 cup sugar > 3 tablespoons cornstarch > 1 1⁄2 cups water > 1 (3 ounce) box strawberry gelatin > 2 large red grapefruits, sectioned > 1 prebaked pie shell > whipped cream, for serving > > ``` > > **Directions:** > In medium saucepan, combine sugar and cornstarch, add water and cook over medium heat until thick and clear. > Add strawberry gelatin and stir to dissolve. > Let cool, and add grapefruit sections. > Pour mixture into baked pie shell and chill until firm, about 2 hours. > Top with whipped cream and serve. I have an even easier recipe for grapefruit pie. Ingredients: All the grapefruits you have around One pie shell Directions: Gather together all the grapefruits you have around. Throw them in the garbage. Because grapefruits taste terrible. Why did you have them? Put something good in the pie shell like blueberries. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2017, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/76 "2017-04-09T06:49:10Z")
> [@Rick\_Sanchez](#): > > Tortured _in your opinion_. In _their_ opinion, _you’re_ the one who’s got it wrong. Besides, if you grant that Islamists and Jihadis are motivated by a “tortured” interpretation of scripture, _you can’t turn around and say in the same fucking breath that there is no scriptural support for what they do!_ Let me put it this way : you’ve got this Jesus guy, right ? And in his fanfic, it says he said “love your neighbour like yourself” and “turn the other cheek”. And for 2000 odd years, his churchmen explain that the first means the Golden Rule and the other means one shouldn’t answer violence with violence, OK ? But then a new sect pops up whose leader says no no, all the catholics and protestants and Amish and whatnot have it wrong and have had it wrong since the get go and for 2000 years. He says what Jesus meant is that a man called Neighbour is supposed to come along, whom you should fuck a lot ; while the latter refers to the fact that you have to do anal, too. Incidentally, that sect leader’s name is John Neighbour. Would you similarly shrug your shoulders and say “hey, both say the other is in the wrong, they both have scriptural support for their claim, it’s a wash” ? Because that’s on the level of what you’re doing there. ---
**Author:** ![CatandMouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c89c15/32.png) [@CatandMouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatandMouse)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2017, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/77 "2017-04-09T06:53:36Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > What Trump supporters really need are recipes for Meth. They’ve already got that recipe, have you seen his rallies? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![CatandMouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c89c15/32.png) [@CatandMouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatandMouse)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2017, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/78 "2017-04-09T06:55:40Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > he shouted “Allahu Akbar” when he did it, and links to ISIS are turning up. As surprising as when white met bread. Wasn’t Prez Clown Shoes supposed to have a plan for ISIS over 30 days ago? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2017, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/79 "2017-04-09T08:05:49Z")
> [@CatandMouse](#): > > Wasn’t Prez Clown Shoes supposed to have a plan for ISIS over 30 days ago? As I recall it, his plan was “tell the generals to come up with a plan”. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2017, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/80 "2017-04-09T10:18:42Z")
> [@Beren\_Erchamion](#): > > Incorrect. > > Islam doesn’t have the problem. > > Regions that happen to be predominantly Islamic have the problem. The terrorism would come regardless of religion, because it’s a response to generations and centuries of European terrorism against the people in those parts of the world. It only takes on an Islamic veneer because the people there just happen to be predominantly Muslims; if Christianity or Rastafarianism or Discordianism were predominant in those parts of the world, you’d be screaming bloody murder about that instead. Cite? Like, okay, let’s say that the people in that region were Jains. Do you honestly believe we would be worrying about a spate of violent terrorist attacks put forward by Jainist groups? The abrahamic religions are _violent_ in many significant ways. Islam in particular contains much that advocates for or excuses violence in defense of the faith. And it _could_ be that these Salafists have misinterpreted their religion. Or, it could be that, like the Bible, the Qur’an contains numerous self-contradicting narratives, some of which easily allow for violence and hatred. I mean, can we agree that the Qur’an calls for the death of apostates? It’s not that huge a leap from “kill all apostates” to “kill all non-muslims”. > [@Kobal2](#): > > Let me put it this way : you’ve got this Jesus guy, right ? And in his fanfic, it says he said “love your neighbour like yourself” and “turn the other cheek”. And for 2000 odd years, his churchmen explain that the first means the Golden Rule and the other means one shouldn’t answer violence with violence, OK ? > But then a new sect pops up whose leader says no no, all the catholics and protestants and Amish and whatnot have it wrong and have had it wrong since the get go and for 2000 years. He says what Jesus meant is that a man called Neighbour is supposed to come along, whom you should fuck a lot ; while the latter refers to the fact that you have to do anal, too. Incidentally, that sect leader’s name is John Neighbour. > > Would you similarly shrug your shoulders and say “hey, both say the other is in the wrong, they both have scriptural support for their claim, it’s a wash” ? Because that’s on the level of what you’re doing there. Hardly. We’re talking about books with numerous self-contradictory messages. People can and do take what they want from that. But if the message for violence isn’t in there, you’re not going to get people being violent as a result. But the Qur’an absolutely _does_ contain messages of violence, division, hatred, and murder. Just like the bible! A far more reasonable comparison would be a Christian sect that focused less on “love your neighbor” and “turn the other cheek” and more on “I come not to bring peace but to carry a sword” and “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them”, and used that as justification to act violently towards non-believers, apostates, blasphemers, and people who work on the sabbath. It wouldn’t be a mainstream view (at least, not a _modern_ mainstream view), but these books contain multiple contradictory narratives, which allow people so motivated to pick and choose which ones they like. And given that these books were written by bloodthirsy savages in the dark ages… That’s a problem. > [@Rick\_Sanchez](#): > > All that said, **Derek** is still an idiot. Let’s not lose sight of that. Kinda wish someone who wasn’t a bigoted shitty tool would start this thread. Everything Derek posts in is inherently tainted by his presence. It’s like if Stalin started a thread discussing the merits of communism - interesting subject, absolutely the wrong person to lead it. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I have an even easier recipe for grapefruit pie. > > Ingredients: > > All the grapefruits you have around > One pie shell > > Directions: > > Gather together all the grapefruits you have around. > Throw them in the garbage. Because grapefruits taste terrible. Why did you have them? > Put something good in the pie shell like blueberries. Well this was worth the price of admission. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030.md?page=5)