# Stupid Islam News of the Day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 8, 2017, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030 "2017-04-08T01:09:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2017, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/81 "2017-04-09T11:17:01Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Cite? You can learn about [the Bhuddist terror organizations](http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32929855) led by the monks, who advocate the killing of the converted christians, of the muslims, etc. sa the Bhuddist monks supposedly have sworn not to harm, yet manage to find ways to self justify leading death squads and mobs committing massacres, it is easy to imagine a mass Jain movement that can in its own way find ways to self-justify violence (although any time an idea like the Jain becomes the mass scale it is transformed by the masses). > [@](#): > > I mean, can we agree that the Qur’an calls for the death of apostates? No we can not becuase the Quran does not call for the death of apostates at all. the basis for the idea of the punishment of apostasy as death is referenced to later Hadith, not the Quran. So as usual, ignorant assertions based on superficial half knowledge, falsehoods repeated and bigotry. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2017, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/82 "2017-04-09T13:21:11Z")
Here’s a recipe even the OP _might_ be able to follow: Ice Ingredients: Water Pour water into ice cube try. Place tray in freezer. Wait a few hours. Christ, every time there’s a terrorist attack the Reich Wing has to start masturbating like motherfuckers. Now they want bonus points because the sexual predator in the White House blew it and said there was an attack on Sweden months ago. Shit the crocodile tears shed over the Assad gas attacks aren’t even dry and now it’s back to “OMG! Moooselims!” ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2017, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/83 "2017-04-09T13:49:33Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Here’s a recipe even the OP _might_ be able to follow: > > Ice > Ingredients: Water > > Pour water into ice cube try. Place tray in freezer. Wait a few hours. Does it need to be a special kind of water? What if the fridge has no freezer, can it just be really, really cold? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2017, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/84 "2017-04-09T14:00:12Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Could be an allergy, three ice cubes. This isn’t homeopathetic medicine-it doesn’t get stronger by watering it down. The obvious solution is to chill the glass, lose the ice cubes, and add more Southern Comfort. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2017, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/85 "2017-04-09T14:00:39Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Here’s a recipe even the OP _might_ be able to follow: > > Ice > Ingredients: Water > > Pour water into ice cube try. Place tray in freezer. Wait a few hours. I prefer to wait for sub-freezing temperatures. It’s natural and as it’s not available year round, it makes it a special treat. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2017, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/86 "2017-04-09T14:11:33Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > This isn’t homeopathetic medicine-it doesn’t get stronger by watering it down. The obvious solution is to chill the glass, lose the ice cubes, and add more Southern Comfort. Keep the Southern Comfort in the freezer. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2017, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/87 "2017-04-09T14:23:00Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Keep the Southern Comfort in the freezer. Nope-that ruins it for all the drinks that shouldn’t be served ice cold. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2017, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/88 "2017-04-09T14:26:18Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Does it need to be a special kind of water? > What if the fridge has no freezer, can it just be really, really cold? For ice with that special punch, I recommend using water made with tritium. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2017, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/89 "2017-04-09T14:26:54Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Nope-that ruins it for all the drinks that shouldn’t be served ice cold. Obviously you have a second bottle. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2017, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/90 "2017-04-09T14:33:56Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Obviously you have a second bottle. 😃 BTW, don’t use the 100 proof SC-you are trading a little more C for a lot less S, in my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2017, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/91 "2017-04-09T14:48:03Z")
Is it the C or the S that makes it taste like cough syrup gone bad? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2017, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/92 "2017-04-09T14:52:35Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Nope-that ruins it for all the drinks that shouldn’t be served ice cold. Which is as it should be. Swap out the SC, amaretto and ginger for decent bourbon and then we’ll talk. **Deep Dish Southern Comfort Peach Pie** 2 - 1 lb, 13 oz. cans water-packed peaches, drained well (you can use fresh peaches, but most places have shitty ones, so go for the canned) 1/2 cup Southern Comfort 2/3 cup sugar 1/3 cup slivered almonds 2 tsp. ground cinnamon 3 tbsp. butter 2 tbsp. flour 1 - 2 pack deep dish pie crusts (again, you can make from scratch but why bother?) Let frozen crusts thaw. Take one crust and fill with peaches. Sprinkle with sugar, almonds and cinnamon. Dot with flour chopped into butter. Pour Southern Comfort over the whole thing. Invert the other pie crust and use as a top crust. Brush with butter and be sure to cut a few vent holes. Bake at 450 F for 10 minutes. Reduce heat to 350 and bake another 25 - 20 minutes, until golden brown. Serve warm with whipped cream or vanilla ice cream. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2017, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/93 "2017-04-09T14:59:08Z")
Southern Comfort? Damn, that brings back memories. Bad, bad sophomore year memories. ---
**Author:** ![Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b2d939/32.png) [@Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Go_Arachnid_Laser_1)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2017, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/94 "2017-04-09T15:06:21Z")
> [@Rick\_Sanchez](#): > > Scriptures matter. Beliefs have consequences. Eh. Not that long ago Catholics and Protestants were trying to genocide each other. They don’t anymore. And as far as I know, the scriptures haven’t changed, just the degree of social progress. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2017, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/95 "2017-04-09T15:06:59Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > Southern Comfort? Damn, that brings back memories. Bad, bad sophomore year memories. When I try really, really hard, I can almost remember them. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2017, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/96 "2017-04-09T16:17:36Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > You can learn about [the Bhuddist terror organizations](http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32929855) led by the monks, who advocate the killing of the converted christians, of the muslims, etc. sa the Bhuddist monks supposedly have sworn not to harm, yet manage to find ways to self justify leading death squads and mobs committing massacres, it is easy to imagine a mass Jain movement that can in its own way find ways to self-justify violence (although any time an idea like the Jain becomes the mass scale it is transformed by the masses). Interesting. So is your claim that there is no correlation between belief and action in the case of extremist violence, or just not a perfect correlation? Shall we perhaps compare this extremist minority sect to similar extremist minority sects, like the one that forms the basis of Saudi Arabia’s entire fucking government? > [@](#): > > No we can not becuase the Quran does not call for the death of apostates at all. > > the basis for the idea of the punishment of apostasy as death is referenced to later Hadith, not the Quran. > > So as usual, ignorant assertions based on superficial half knowledge, falsehoods repeated and bigotry. My condolences for not recognizing this difference. But the fact is that in _most_ mainstream sects of Islam, the punishment is death. Across the Muslim world, the punishment for apostasy is _death_. The fact that it’s in the Hadith rather than the Qur’an does not address my complaint at all. Would you like to address it? ---
**Author:** ![Beren\_Erchamion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/90ced4/32.png) [@Beren\_Erchamion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beren_Erchamion)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2017, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/97 "2017-04-09T16:21:53Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Interesting. So is your claim that there is no correlation between belief and action in the case of extremist violence, It’s not that there’s not a correlation; it’s just that the source of that belief is the individual (and the situation they’re in) rather than the religious tradition. People adapt the religious tradition to themselves, not the other way around. This is seriously like Religious Studies 101-level shit. ---
**Author:** ![Beren\_Erchamion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/90ced4/32.png) [@Beren\_Erchamion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beren_Erchamion)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2017, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/98 "2017-04-09T16:26:57Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > We’re talking about books with numerous self-contradictory messages. People can and do take what they want from that. Which is _exactly_ why it makes no sense to blame “Islamic” terrorism on Islam. Religious traditions are unbelievably multivalent; that someone reads into a particular tradition a justification for something they’re already inclined to do is, therefore, the fault of that person, not of the tradition. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2017, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/99 "2017-04-09T16:41:18Z")
“Bible says I gotta love my neighbor like myself. So, I gotta go next door and jerk him off too?” - R. Dangerfield, noted Christian theologian. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2017, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030/100 "2017-04-09T16:45:06Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Interesting. So is your claim that there is no correlation between belief and action in the case of extremist violence, or just not a perfect correlation? I have made no statement about ‘correlation’ What is clear is that from many different points of comparison, the idea that ‘scripture’ makes behavior is a false idea. > [@](#): > > Shall we perhaps compare this extremist minority sect to similar extremist minority sects, like the one that forms the basis of Saudi Arabia’s entire fucking government? Do whatever your bigotry desires, it is not interesting to me. The groups cited in those artiles are not “minorities” however and are not “minority sects”- it is clear you did not read or closely. They are organizations promoting and pushing by direct terror and indirect pressure against minorities - they in fact represent a section of the _majority_ and are pushing the adoption of extremist genocidal violances - ah but it is against their _scripture_ so by a certain logic it is impossible to understand it happening… of course since it is brown asian christians and muslims being killed and burned out of houses and home this is not so scary. > [@](#): > > My condolences for not recognizing this difference. Since it is a huge and fundamental point, we can say that you have no idea what you run on and on about, but blindly parrot bigots. > [@](#): > > But the fact is that in _most_ mainstream sects of Islam, the punishment is death. Across the Muslim world, the punishment for apostasy is _death_. **FALSE.** No, across the Muslim world there are religious views that hold it should be death, and there are those that do not. The consensus in the theological side is not at all complete. Then there is the **state law** , and it is not the case, despite your ignorant claim, that “the punishent for apostasy is death” - indeed it is the exception. In many cases there is no specific punishment in the modern criminal laws, and it would be covered under blasphemy, punishable in various cases by fines or imprisonment. You can review your own [Congressional Research](http://www.loc.gov/law/help/apostasy/apostasy.pdf)- although it commits significant errors as in the case of Morocco assigning a legal value to a religious opinion (refuted later) that had and has iin fact no standing under the criminal law code at all, the anglophone authors clearly not understanding the non-English language codes and structures at all. Now indeed there remain the laws penalizing the blasephmy and by ricochet the apostasy, and I will not say this is a good thing, but it is not typical as you assert ignorantly across the Muslim world to have the death penalty (and it is even less typical to actually enforce even those laws on the books, sadly done for usually the political objectives). [Of course as this wide PEw survey shows](http://www.pewforum.org/2012/11/21/laws-penalizing-blasphemy-apostasy-and-defamation-of-religion-are-widespread/), it is hardly unique and within the Islamic world it is more the feature of the Middle East than anything, but typical the confusion between all Muslims and Saudi Arabia… > [@](#): > > The fact that it’s in the Hadith rather than the Qur’an does not address my complaint at all. Would you like to address it? In fact it does, but you are too ignorant to know this (although your complaint was based on a false assertion). The fact that the idea derives from the Hadith is completely fundamental for no one claims that the Hadith are not fallible. The fact you do no understand the importance of the difference also shows your bold assertions are based on nothing more than Hate Site Theology skimming. Indeed it is a wide opinion among the modernizing religious scholars like [Tariq Ramadan](https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/quotes/tariq-ramadan-on-apostasy) and[many others, and even into the Medieval period](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam#Opposition_to_execution)that it is not proper to punish as the Quranic verses are clearly in contradiction of the idea. So, you got not one fact right but I can be sure you will have no sense of shame [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-islam-news-of-the-day/784030.md?page=6)