# Stupid liberal idea of the day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 20, 2011, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086 "2011-04-20T15:35:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 114
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/2261 "2014-07-31T12:00:39Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Actually, it was Obama’s fault that the ACA website wasn’t ready on time: > > [http://finance.yahoo.com/news/probe-exposes-flaws-behind-healthcare-171324102.html](http://finance.yahoo.com/news/probe-exposes-flaws-behind-healthcare-171324102.html) > > WASHINGTON (AP) – Management failures by the Obama administration set the stage for computer woes that paralyzed the president’s new health care program last fall, nonpartisan investigators said in a report released Wednesday. > > While the administration was publicly assuring consumers that they would soon have seamless online access to health insurance, a chaotic procurement process was about to deliver a stumbling start. > > After a months-long investigation, the Government Accountability Office found that the administration lacked “effective planning or oversight practices” for the development of [HealthCare.gov](http://HealthCare.gov), the portal for millions of uninsured Americans > These kinds of stories only seem to come as a surprise to liberal Dopers. Haven’t figured out why that is yet. Wait, you mean mistakes were made? There were problems? And the website was subsequently fixed and served to help millions of uninsured get health care? Stop the presses! Government screwed up something, and then fixed that something! ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/2262 "2014-07-31T12:04:32Z")
They fixed the front end. The website remains defective and unfinished: > **[Federal health-care subsidies may be too high or too low for more than 1...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/federal-health-care-subsidies-may-be-too-high-or-too-low-for-more-than-1-million-americans/2014/05/16/8f544992-dd14-11e3-8009-71de85b9c527_story.html)** > > Income discrepancies have been flagged, but the government has been unable to fix the problems. The website is late because the administration failed to perform even the most basic oversight of the project. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/2263 "2014-07-31T12:09:57Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > They fixed the front end. The website remains defective and unfinished: > > [http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/federal-health-care-subsidies-may-be-too-high-or-too-low-for-more-than-1-million-americans/2014/05/16/8f544992-dd14-11e3-8009-71de85b9c527\_story.html](http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/federal-health-care-subsidies-may-be-too-high-or-too-low-for-more-than-1-million-americans/2014/05/16/8f544992-dd14-11e3-8009-71de85b9c527_story.html) > > The website is late because the administration failed to perform even the most basic oversight of the project. That article is from May – got anything more recent? And whatever the problems, it’s still helped millions of uninsured get insurance. I know you’re obsessed with finding any scraps that might make the ACA look bad. It’s okay, **adaher**. It’s okay. The ACA is doing pretty well. It’s okay. You’ll be okay. Even if the ACA continues to be a success, and meets all its goals in time, you’ll still be okay. America will still be okay. It’s okay, **adaher**. You’re okay. America is okay. Even if the ACA continues to work, everything will be okay. You don’t have be obsess any longer. It will be okay. ---
**Author:** ![Double\_Foolscap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85e7bf/32.png) [@Double\_Foolscap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Double_Foolscap)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/2264 "2014-07-31T12:33:03Z")
The ACA website is more for the “Stupid Liberal Implementation of the Day” thread. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/2265 "2014-07-31T12:54:20Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > These kinds of stories only seem to come as a surprise to liberal Dopers. Haven’t figured out why that is yet. You’re surprised that “liberal Dopers” are supposedly surprised by this story, before you’ve even given anyone a chance to respond? That surprises me. Well, no it doesn’t. Anyway, why on earth would you profess to be upset if the administration didn’t handle the launch of the ACA portal perfectly? Isn’t failure what you actually want? ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/2266 "2014-07-31T13:11:24Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > If you honestly think … that the President has handled it the same way other Presidents do, I can’t help you. **Adaher** ’s absolutely right. I have yet to see Obama handle a massive screw up by telling the dude responsible he’s doing “a heckuva job.” ---
**Author:** ![Sinaptics](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Sinaptics](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sinaptics)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/2267 "2014-07-31T14:31:30Z")
> [@Double\_Foolscap](#): > > The ACA website is more for the “Stupid Liberal Implementation of the Day” thread. Eh, I’ll give him that one. The implementation was a major cock-up. You’d think it would behoove the powers-that-be to stay somewhat on top of their major policy achievement. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/2268 "2014-07-31T19:38:10Z")
> [@Sinaptics](#): > > Eh, I’ll give him that one. The implementation was a major cock-up. You’d think it would behoove the powers-that-be to stay somewhat on top of their major policy achievement. The federal government has a long history of screwing up big IT projects independent of which party is in power. The ACA website is relatively successful in that it did get fixed soon enough to let them beat the signup goal. Lots got abandoned at gigantic costs. As for ACA in general a report just released for California (our website worked) shows that over half the uninsured now have insurance and 1/3 of the remaining uninsured are undocumented and not eligible. I suspect he’s complaining because he doesn’t want to admit it worked. I wonder if he is still complaining about Apple Maps also. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2014, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/2269 "2014-08-01T01:13:09Z")
It still doesn’t work. But that’s not the point. The government screwed up because the guy at the top wasn’t engaged. Sure, he does fine once he is engaged. The website got fixed well enough. Which should tell him that maybe he should be getting involved when problems start, not when they get so bad that whistleblowers start contacting the media because the lines of communication within the administrative branch aren’t working. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2014, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/2270 "2014-08-01T01:37:54Z")
Shit, all that constitutional law stuff, and he can’t even fix a damn website and database? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2014, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/2271 "2014-08-01T01:47:42Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > It still doesn’t work. Yes it does. Millions are using it to get insurance. There may still be capabilities it lacks, but that is different than it “doesn’t work”. If you don’t want to be called out on such wrongness, be more precise. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2014, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/2272 "2014-08-01T02:14:58Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > And now the House passes the VA reform bill, which the Senate will vote on: > > [http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/30/politics/va-house/index.html?hpt=hp\_t2](http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/30/politics/va-house/index.html?hpt=hp_t2) > > Wow, all this productivity. Maybe the GOP isn’t so obstructionist after all. Democrats need to quit confusing their pet ideas with the good of the country. There’s actually still a lot both sides do agree on. Today’s stupid liberal idea, starting at midnight, so technically tomorrow’s stupid liberal idea of the day, is that bipartisan agreement isn’t good enough! The Democrats must also get what they want! Nope, the GOP remains the most obstructionist in modern history. > **[Boehner's humiliating defeat: House border bill scratched at last minute](https://www.salon.com/2014/07/31/boehners_humiliating_defeat_house_border_bill_scratched_at_last_minute/)** > > The House appeared all set to pass border legislation after making concessions to the right. It still wasn't enough > [@](#): > > The Republican House leadership, after giving so many concessions away to conservatives and their informal leader, Sen. Ted Cruz, still couldn’t pull together enough votes. A vote on its $659 million border supplemental was pulled from the floor minutes before it was scheduled, and then officially dropped. It’s a total embarrassment for Boehner and his new leadership team, Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy and whip Steve Scalise, who were relying on its passage as proof that they were “ready to govern.” **Now, unless they can scramble something together to save face, they’ll head into the five-week August recess having agreed to sue President Obama** but not on any immigration-related bill, no matter how hard-line it had become. I still think the space time continuum reacts with malice to the say so’s of **adaher**. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2014, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/2273 "2014-08-01T02:40:39Z")
He’s lucky. The things\* I \*think are going to happen usually do. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2014, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/2274 "2014-08-01T04:18:24Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I found a pic of you making this post: [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](http://i.imgur.com/R68mW.jpg) That’s funny. I found a pic of [you typing this response to me](http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d97/Clothahump/ICanTyping_zps3084c894.gif). ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2014, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/2275 "2014-08-01T04:23:53Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > That’s funny. I found a pic of [you typing this response to me](http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d97/Clothahump/ICanTyping_zps3084c894.gif). Did you have to hire a consultant from the elementary school for that one? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2014, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/2276 "2014-08-01T04:24:02Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > That’s funny. I found a pic of [you typing this response to me](http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d97/Clothahump/ICanTyping_zps3084c894.gif). And there’s you in the second panel! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2014, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/2277 "2014-08-01T04:27:04Z")
Meth. Not even once. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2014, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/2278 "2014-08-01T06:13:56Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Nope, the GOP remains the most obstructionist in modern history. > > [http://www.salon.com/2014/07/31/boehners\_humiliating\_defeat\_house\_border\_bill\_scratched\_at\_last\_minute/](http://www.salon.com/2014/07/31/boehners_humiliating_defeat_house_border_bill_scratched_at_last_minute/) > I still think the space time continuum reacts with malice to the say so’s of **adaher**. The fact that they cannot come to an agreement in a very short time says nothing about obstruction. Immigration is a very contentious issue and it will take time to make a deal. They didn’t have the time, so it didn’t get done. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2014, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/2279 "2014-08-01T06:38:13Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The fact that they cannot come to an agreement in a very short time says nothing about obstruction. Immigration is a very contentious issue and it will take time to make a deal. They didn’t have the time, so it didn’t get done. As a Hispanic that knows what House republicans are doing for several years regarding immigration, I have to tell you that you are not fooling anyone, even you do know that that pee is not rain. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2014, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/2280 "2014-08-01T06:49:26Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The fact that they cannot come to an agreement in a very short time says nothing about obstruction. Immigration is a very contentious issue and it will take time to make a deal. They didn’t have the time, so it didn’t get done. You’re right. It’s entirely possible that the GOP just started working on this last week. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=113) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=115)