# Stupid liberal idea of the day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 20, 2011, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086 "2011-04-20T15:35:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 128
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2014, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/2541 "2014-10-17T19:48:52Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > :eek: Even if you wore protection? If you use a full body rubber saddle you should be ok. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2014, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/2542 "2014-10-18T05:52:15Z")
Socialist party that advocated $20/hr minimum wage needs a web developer. Who they will pay $13/hr. > **[Socialists Push For $20 Minimum Wage But Won't Pay Workers That Much](https://reason.com/2014/10/16/socialists-push-for-20-minimum-wage-but/)** > > Or, how to prove your beliefs don't work in the real world. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2014, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/2543 "2014-10-18T06:33:45Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Socialist party that advocated $20/hr minimum wage needs a web developer. Who they will pay $13/hr. > > [Socialists Push For $20 Minimum Wage But Won't Pay Workers That Much](http://reason.com/blog/2014/10/16/socialists-push-for-20-minimum-wage-but) I must say, that’s pretty interesting. I’d be fascinated to hear their rationalization for their hourly rate. Their [Craigslist](http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/web/4705956525.html) ad is still up, but compensation has been changed from $13/hr to DOE. Now, despite the title “web developer” used by the [Reason.com](http://Reason.com) article, and by **adaher** , the title used on the ad itself is “Web Content Manager,” and from the duties and the required skills listed in the advertisement, it’s pretty clear that the successful candidate will most likely be doing pretty straightforward stuff like blog posts, adding images, and other stuff that really doesn’t require very much technical skill. This is not a job that will involve writing large amounts of back-end code or dealing with complicated database maintenance. Still, a principle is a principle, and this organization was and is a supporter of Seattle’s $15/hr minimum wage, arguing that Seattle is too expensive to live in at lower wage rates. I understand that, as a non-profit socialist collective they probably don’t have much money, but isn’t that also the argument made by lots of small business owners who oppose a hike in the minimum wage? They want to pay $13/hr for 20 hours, or $260/week. If $260 is all you have to spend, why not stick by your principles and offer $15/hr for 17 hours? Of course, this still isn’t really the right thread, because socialists and liberals are not the same thing, no matter how much people like **adaher** might conflate the two. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2014, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/2544 "2014-10-18T07:17:28Z")
Actually, I don’t conflate the two, but it still works for this thread because there is some overlap between the two. Although it’s more a case of socialists calling themselves liberals, which is either delusion or intentional deception. Plus on this specific issue, liberals and socialists are essentially on the same side, and liberals have also shown a propensity for hypocrisy when it comes to paying their employees. Whether it be minimum wage or the gender pay gap, liberals have a tendency to attack business for using the having the same philosophy on pay as they do. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2014, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/2545 "2014-10-18T12:25:11Z")
[Mayor Bill de Blasio looking to ban large sodas](http://online.wsj.com/articles/new-york-city-mayor-bill-de-blasio-pushes-forward-on-soda-ban-1413421275) because that was such a big hit when his predecessor tried it. ---
**Author:** ![Frostillicus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Frostillicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frostillicus)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2014, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/2546 "2014-10-18T13:32:29Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Well, this one takes the cake. Every time I think Obama can’t do anything more stupid than he already has, he comes through for us. Ebola is a problem, and a potentially severe one. So who does he pick to head up the crisis? A political hack instead of a doctor. Republicans scream for Obama to appoint Ebola czar. Obama appoints Ebola czar. Republicans freak out over appointment of Ebola czar. Just like clockwork. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2014, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/2547 "2014-10-18T13:45:58Z")
> [@Frostillicus](#): > > Republicans scream for Obama to appoint Ebola czar. > > Obama appoints Ebola czar. > \*\* > Republicans freak out over appointment of Ebola czar.\*\* > > Just like clockwork. :smack: He didn’t appoint one that advocates abstinence. Duh. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2014, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/2548 "2014-10-18T15:11:13Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Actually, I don’t conflate the two, but it still works for this thread because there is some overlap between the two. Although it’s more a case of socialists calling themselves liberals, which is either delusion or intentional deception. Plus on this specific issue, liberals and socialists are essentially on the same side, and liberals have also shown a propensity for hypocrisy when it comes to paying their employees. Whether it be minimum wage or the gender pay gap, liberals have a tendency to attack business for using the having the same philosophy on pay as they do. Liberal hypocrisy is **Bricker** ’s patented _schtick_. You owe him a nickel. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2014, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/2549 "2014-10-18T16:22:08Z")
> [@Frostillicus](#): > > Republicans scream for Obama to appoint Ebola czar. > > Obama appoints Ebola czar. > > Republicans freak out over appointment of Ebola czar. > > Just like clockwork. :smack: In short, Obama did something. ---
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2014, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/2550 "2014-10-18T17:34:49Z")
Is it bad that whenever this thread is bumped, I, as a liberal, actually look forward to seeing what the poutrage du jour is? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2014, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/2551 "2014-10-18T18:30:08Z")
> [@Randolph](#): > > Is it bad that whenever this thread is bumped, I, as a liberal, actually look forward to seeing what the poutrage du jour is? It’s perfectly normal, since [this is essentially what Clothy has been doing in this thread for years.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbd4t-ua-WQ) ---
**Author:** ![Iggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iggy/32/3364_2.png) [@Iggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iggy)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2014, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/2552 "2014-10-18T19:26:32Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Its the “Obambola Virus”. Try to keep up, guys… My Jamaican colleagues were discussing the ongoing outbreak of the chikungunya virus in their homeland and then switched to discussion of Ebola. The resulting linguist slip followed and the \*\*Chickenbola \*\*virus was thus born. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2014, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/2553 "2014-10-19T14:04:29Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Your anger makes you lash out incoherently too often. If you’d just open yourself to reality, you’d find out that your anger is based on myths and second hand stories. Sigh. Lobo, give it up. You don’t know shit about what I think or feel, so stop trying to second-guess me. And above all, stop with the bullshit deflections because you can’t handle the fact that I am right the vast majority of the time. This topic is a perfect example. I pointed out that Obama fucked up seriously yet again. Rather than discuss that, you’d rather whine about me being so “angry”. Your ad hominem responses are lame and worthless. My question to you is this: why the hell aren’t you pissed off about it as well? You should be. But no…it’s more important to whine about ol’ Clothy being the Big Bad for pointing it out. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2014, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/2554 "2014-10-19T14:05:37Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > And yet you keep hitting _Enter._ Read my response to Lobo - applies to you as well. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2014, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/2555 "2014-10-19T14:24:13Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > I pointed out that Obama fucked up seriously yet again. Except he didn’t. As has been pointed out numerous times what is required in this position is an administrator. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2014, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/2556 "2014-10-19T14:36:21Z")
I clicked on the little arrows to follow this string of replies back to its origin. Here’s what I got: > [@Clothahump](#): > > NM > [@El\_Kabong](#): > > This my favorite post by you, ever. > [@Clothahump](#): > > Understandable. It was only two letters long, which is about the limit of comprehension of the majority of posters on this board. > [@Lobohan](#): > > Your anger makes you lash out incoherently too often. If you’d just open yourself to reality, you’d find out that your anger is based on myths and second hand stories. > [@Clothahump](#): > > Sigh. Lobo, give it up. You don’t know shit about what I think or feel, so stop trying to second-guess me. And above all, stop with the bullshit deflections because you can’t handle the fact that I am right the vast majority of the time. > > This topic is a perfect example. I pointed out that Obama fucked up seriously yet again. Rather than discuss that, you’d rather whine about me being so “angry”. Your ad hominem responses are lame and worthless. > > My question to you is this: why the hell aren’t you pissed off about it as well? You should be. But no…it’s more important to whine about ol’ Clothy being the Big Bad for pointing it out. If “NM” is your way of pointing out that “Obama fucked up seriously yet again”, that may shed some light on why more people aren’t following your cogent political analysis on this board. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2014, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/2557 "2014-10-19T14:56:10Z")
**Clothy** ’s entire life is a Dunning-Kruger case study. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2014, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/2558 "2014-10-19T17:17:27Z")
It must be nice, in some ways, to live in a simple world where the guy in the position is a fuck up _before he has a chance to do anything_, much less anything substantive, because Fox told you what you think. That’s some deep independent thought, there. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2014, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/2559 "2014-10-19T19:29:34Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > {…} I am right the vast majority of the time. {…} No, I believe you’re _right_ all the time . . . the problem is how often you’re _correct_. :dubious: CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2014, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/2560 "2014-10-20T08:05:47Z")
Sally Kohn blames rhetoric against government for government’s poor performance: > **[GOP, don't undermine government | CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2014/10/18/opinion/kohn-undermining-government/index.html)** > > Conservatives can’t slash government and then act surprised if it isn’t there when we need it, writes Sally Kohn. She also includes an argument against austerity, which is kind of strange since austerity has never happened. The CDC’s budget has nearly doubled since 2000. Problem is, they have experienced “mission creep”, extending their purview into child safety seats, guns, and obesity. The CDC’s mission is to protect America from pandemics. Taking on other missions is why the CDC’s effectiveness is suffering, and why the effectiveness of most government agencies sucks. focus them on their actual priorities and things will get better. Blaming Republican rhetoric rather than Democrats’ wanting the government do have 10,000 “top priorities” is the stupid liberal idea of the day. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=127) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=129)