# Stupid liberal idea of the day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 20, 2011, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086 "2011-04-20T15:35:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2011, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/281 "2011-09-30T13:04:14Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Yes, this example can be considered an aberration. Nevertheless, right-wingers’ fascination with “law and order” is another example of their closedmindedness. The importance of the law to the GOP is inversely proportional to the size of the accused’s bank account. They don’t even pretend otherwise anymore. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2011, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/282 "2011-09-30T14:07:25Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > … the left is going to look more and more ridiculous in claiming that the Republicans are racist, as Garofolo does now in claiming that Republican supporters of Herman Cain are racist. You are still not reading for comprehension. The actress said: > [@](#): > > Herman Cain is probably well liked by **some** of the Republicans because it hides the racist **elements** of the Republican party. Garofolo agrees with you that SOME Republicans are racist. She did not say that they are ALL racist. ELEMENTS of the party. This means a few of them. Part of the party. A subsection. Not the whole. A subsample. A fraction. And, she’s an ACTRESS for God’s sake. I try not to pay too much attention to when actors spout opinions about politics. And I don’t then ascribe their words to an entire party. ---
**Author:** ![AlienVessels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba8739/32.png) [@AlienVessels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlienVessels)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2011, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/283 "2011-09-30T14:40:30Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I must say it’s heartening to see so many - well, a scarce few anyway - of the Straight Dope’s finest so utterly anxious to proclaim that it’s only ‘some’ Republicans who are racist. Why, this makes Republicans virtually no different than Democrats in this regard as I know damn well there are Democrats who are racist as I know a few myself. Maybe we could get this acknowledgement made into a sticky and posted at the top of each forum so everyone will be sure, when tempted to make their scurrilous racist accusations toward Republicans, that they take pains to point out that it’s only some Republicans who qualify and they all aren’t like that. God, I see this argument from the Republican side it makes me want to puke. “Your side does it, our side does it, therefore we’re the same.” " You have black members, we have black members - see, we’re the same!" It’s this very odd insistence that there are only two values in any comparison, even when you’re comparing populations. “You guys have sex scandals too, so stop pointing fingers” even when the person in the scandal ran on “moral and family values”. I’m betting if we were able to poll racists, we’d find a tendency in their voting habits, and I’m betting it wouldn’t be Democrat. I’d also bet we’d find more racist organizations under the Republican umbrella. Really, when you’ve been caught eating a box of cookies, it doesn’t fly to blame your sibling, “well they had a cookie too!” ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2011, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/284 "2011-09-30T18:27:32Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > And, she’s an ACTRESS for God’s sake. I try not to pay too much attention to when actors spout opinions about politics. And I don’t then ascribe their words to an entire party. Egad, here’s a plot for the next Hollywierd blockbuster: Garafolo spawns and Michael Moore is her babydaddy. \ First…there was TERMINATOR Then…there was PREDATOR Now…from the unholy coupling of Garafolo and Moore, there springs…ASSHOLE! ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2011, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/285 "2011-09-30T18:55:41Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Now…from the unholy coupling of Garafolo and Moore, there springs…ASSHOLE! You need more reverb at the end there. And cowbell. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2011, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/286 "2011-09-30T19:10:39Z")
And maybe something that rhymes with either ‘Terminator’ or ‘Predator.’ I can’t figure out which he sucks at more: screenwriting, or joke writing. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2011, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/287 "2011-09-30T19:22:41Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > You need more reverb at the end there. And cowbell. How about “Garofellator”? ---
**Author:** ![Hyperelastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Hyperelastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hyperelastic)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2011, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/288 "2011-09-30T19:25:30Z")
> [@AlienVessels](#): > > God, I see this argument from the Republican side it makes me want to puke. “Your side does it, our side does it, therefore we’re the same.” " You have black members, we have black members - see, we’re the same!" It’s this very odd insistence that there are only two values in any comparison, even when you’re comparing populations. “You guys have sex scandals too, so stop pointing fingers” even when the person in the scandal ran on “moral and family values”. The so-do-you type of argument is very effective because Democrats as a group believe strongly that they are more ethical than Republicans and do not hesitate to say so. You have to appeal to morality when your policies are against the self-interest of most people. When you’re constantly calling attention to your own moral superiority, you become a very easy target. Democrats love to tell people to eat their vegetables but they forget that they’re talking not to children but to people who have the right to eat candy bars three meals a day if they feel like it. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2011, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/289 "2011-09-30T19:26:59Z")
I love how Republicans \*never \*moralize. ---
**Author:** ![AlienVessels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba8739/32.png) [@AlienVessels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlienVessels)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2011, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/290 "2011-09-30T19:58:25Z")
> [@Hyperelastic](#): > > The so-do-you type of argument is very effective because Democrats as a group believe strongly that they are more ethical than Republicans and do not hesitate to say so. You have to appeal to morality when your policies are against the self-interest of most people. When you’re constantly calling attention to your own moral superiority, you become a very easy target. Democrats love to tell people to eat their vegetables but they forget that they’re talking not to children but to people who have the right to eat candy bars three meals a day if they feel like it. Thing is, if we extend societal resources to you (like all us liberals want to force everyone to do), there should be some obligation for you to behave in ways that mitigate that cost to society. I’m not talking laws, I’m talking subsidizing behavior that pays off in reduced societal load. Turn that corn subsidy into a broccoli subsidy. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2011, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/291 "2011-09-30T19:59:19Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And I would agree that there are probably more racists who are Rebublican than are Democrat. Anyone want to take bets on how many more posts **SA** is going to wring out of his outrage over Jeanine Garofolo daring to agree with him that some Republicans are racist? ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2011, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/292 "2011-09-30T20:01:49Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > And, she’s an ACTRESS for God’s sake. I try not to pay too much attention to when actors spout opinions about politics. To be fair, judging from his inability to report Jeanine Garofolo’s position accurately, **SA** doesn’t appear to pay that much attention when actors talk about politics, either. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2011, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/293 "2011-09-30T20:30:06Z")
> [@Hyperelastic](#): > > The so-do-you type of argument is very effective because Democrats as a group believe strongly that they are more ethical than Republicans and do not hesitate to say so. You have to appeal to morality when your policies are against the self-interest of most people. When you’re constantly calling attention to your own moral superiority, you become a very easy target. Democrats love to tell people to eat their vegetables but they forget that they’re talking not to children but to people who have the right to eat candy bars three meals a day if they feel like it. As opposed to Republicans vis-a-vis sexual morality, which they actually attempt to write into law and amendment instead of just evangelizing, and then go on to hire a rentboy or do meth with their boyfriends? ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2011, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/294 "2011-09-30T20:31:22Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Egad, here’s a plot for the next Hollywierd blockbuster: Garafolo spawns and Michael Moore is her babydaddy. > > \ > > First…there was TERMINATOR > Then…there was PREDATOR > > Now…from the unholy coupling of Garafolo and Moore, there springs…ASSHOLE! Not bad, not bad. Now next time, try to actually be funny. :dubious: You could resurrect a petition I saw once from a right-winger asking Garafalo to get naked in a film. Hey, as a good progressive, I signed it. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2011, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/295 "2011-09-30T20:41:48Z")
**42fish** , I’m utterly confident that you can’t prove I did any such thing. What I did was post a link Garofolo’s stupid remark and followed that with the observation that the left’s longtime practice of portraying Republicans as racist was looking less credible all the time. The utterly ridiculous defense chosen by the highminded and honest lefties which followed was to deny the left does any such thing and besides Garofolo only said some Republicans were racist. I countered this silly tactic by asking if anyone would be willing to cough up ten bucks for every instance I could point to on this board where broad brush characterizations of conservatives/Republicans/Tea Partiers as racist exists and crickets chirped. That was all I needed to know to show up the ilk for the petty, dishonest dissemblers they are. Translation: I win on both counts - honesty and fact. Cheers. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2011, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/296 "2011-09-30T20:51:29Z")
Yes folks, he really, honestly is that stupid and self deluded. And I only say that because at one point a conservative was rude to me, so now it is my God-given duty to be rude right back. And now I"m out of here because I have some things to do. Important things. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2011, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/297 "2011-09-30T20:52:32Z")
OK, I"m back now, but just to confirm that **SA** is an ignoramus. Now I"m gone. ---
**Author:** ![Hyperelastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Hyperelastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hyperelastic)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2011, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/298 "2011-09-30T21:10:42Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > As opposed to Republicans vis-a-vis sexual morality, which they actually attempt to write into law and amendment instead of just evangelizing, and then go on to hire a rentboy or do meth with their boyfriends? I completely agree with you but the moral posturing is much more prevalent on the left than on the right. When a megachurch pastor gets caught blowing the pool boy, he gets the same treatment from the public as a liberal who gets caught cheating on his taxes and for the same reason. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2011, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/299 "2011-09-30T21:42:21Z")
> [@Hyperelastic](#): > > I completely agree with you but the moral posturing is much more prevalent on the left than on the right. When a megachurch pastor gets caught blowing the pool boy, he gets the same treatment from the public as a liberal who gets caught cheating on his taxes and for the same reason. I follow your second sentence, but the first doesn’t make any sense to me. I look at things with a left slant, but when you say the left does more moral posturing, What the hell are you talking about? The right is the party of “Traditional” “American” “Values” and “Good” “Old” “Judeo-Christian” “Ideas”! ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2011, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/300 "2011-09-30T21:46:08Z")
> [@bup](#): > > The right is the party of “Traditional” “American” “Values” and “Good” “Old” “Judeo-Christian” “Ideas”! Yeah, but that’s all how to interact with fellow human beings and recognizing their worth as such. That’s just business. Now, when you start talking about _money_, _then_ you get into discussions of morality. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=16)