# Stupid liberal idea of the day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 20, 2011, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086 "2011-04-20T15:35:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 151
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3001 "2015-01-08T15:46:30Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Who is celebrating it? Moore wasn’t in that tweet, and you’ll have to provide a cite for Stone. As far as I can see, some of us are celebrating the end of a stupid policy, and celebrating a brighter future for the Cuban people, but I haven’t seen any celebration of Castro. When you call it a Cuban victory, that’s celebrating it, plus they both have a history of cozying up to Castro. Moore celebrated Cuba’s health care system as well, part of which involved putting AIDS sufferers in sanitariums. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3002 "2015-01-08T15:48:22Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Because having a foreign father an **d spending most of his developing years outside the country** wouldn’t create any suspicion whatsoever that he might not have been born here. Didn’t help that he cited himself as Kenyan on his college application(shades of Liz Warren?) Hawaii is a foreign country? ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3003 "2015-01-08T15:48:25Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I’m a Jew. In 3000 years we’ve beaten discrimination and intimidation for the most part(at least in the US), but the day that we don’t hear stereotypical comments is not likely to come before the Sun turns into a red giant. They haven’t changed in centuries. At least the using gentile blood to make matzoh is over with, so who knows? The social acceptance of casual anti-semitism in the US has dropped MASSIVELY in the past 50 years or so. What reason is there to think that it has now leveled off at some stable level? I’m sure that cynical Irish people 140 years ago talked about how of course there was always going to be anti-Irish racism in US society… ---
**Author:** ![purplehorseshoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/purplehorseshoe/32/2996_2.png) [@purplehorseshoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehorseshoe)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3004 "2015-01-08T15:50:34Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Problem is, you’re getting into stuff that will never change, ever, ever, ever, so at some point it has to be gotten over. When the worst thing a black man has to worry about is being psychologically wounded by a little white lady( who of course has NO reason to ever be fearful given her privileged life where she never has to worry about being a victim of violence based on her sex…) > > Now you’re getting into TWO oppressed sectors of society, which will make a PC person’s head spin if they think about it too hard. Just blame both their situations on white men, makes it much easier. Recent events might indicate that “the worst thing a black man has to worry about is” being murdered by the cops. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3005 "2015-01-08T15:51:48Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Hawaii is a foreign country? **adaher** only developed between ages 6-10, the period of Obama’s life spent in Indonesia. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3006 "2015-01-08T15:53:53Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > When you call it a Cuban victory So anyone who ever says something like “that little political skirmish ended up with a clear victory for Russia” is _celebrating_ the Putin regime? That is pretty far removed from how most people use the word. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3007 "2015-01-08T15:57:28Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > The social acceptance of casual anti-semitism in the US has dropped MASSIVELY in the past 50 years or so. What reason is there to think that it has now leveled off at some stable level? I’m sure that cynical Irish people 140 years ago talked about how of course there was always going to be anti-Irish racism in US society… It’s important to distinguish between racism that is directed primarily from one race to another, and racism that comes even from your own race. When black women clutch their purse close or go to the other side of the street, then the problem isn’t race, per se. And likewise, most of the anti-semetism that an average Jew will encounter is shit we say to each other all the time. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3008 "2015-01-08T16:51:58Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > When you call it a Cuban victory, that’s celebrating it, plus they both have a history of cozying up to Castro. I’m celebrating the decision too. It was great progress for the American people, and great progress for the Cuban people. I think it’s bad news for the Castros, in the long run. > [@](#): > > Moore celebrated Cuba’s health care system as well, part of which involved putting AIDS sufferers in sanitariums. So what? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3009 "2015-01-08T16:53:00Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > It’s important to distinguish between racism that is directed primarily from one race to another, and racism that comes even from your own race. When black women clutch their purse close or go to the other side of the street, then the problem isn’t race, per se. And likewise, most of the anti-semetism that an average Jew will encounter is shit we say to each other all the time. We appear to live on different planets. This is some prime incoherence. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3010 "2015-01-08T18:26:08Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Because having a foreign father and spending most of his developing years outside the country wouldn’t create any suspicion whatsoever that he might not have been born here. Birther Bullshit. > [@](#): > > Didn’t help that he cited himself as Kenyan on his college application(shades of Liz Warren?) More Birther Bullshit > [@](#): > > The Hawaii short form, plus the small detail that his mother was an American citizen should have put the controversy to rest right from the start. That it didn’t should tell you something right there. > [@](#): > > But the furor on the right over Obama’s birth certificate wasn’t based on racism, Then name me a white presidential candidate who ever had to go through this, and still had people raving after all the hoops were jumped through. Including those candidates and Presidents actually born outside of this country. Should be easy for you. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3011 "2015-01-08T19:13:49Z")
> [@](#): > > Didn’t help that he cited himself as Kenyan on his college application(shades of Liz Warren?) No, that was his literary agent who said he was Kenyan. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![rogerbox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/76d3ee/32.png) [@rogerbox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rogerbox)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3012 "2015-01-08T20:02:42Z")
> [@rogerbox](#): > > Right, assuming blacks are the servile class **has NO deeper ramifications.** Crossing the street or clutching a purse in an elevator **also has NO deeper ramifications** for blacks, it’s just shallow stuff, don’t worry about it. :rolleyes: (new emphasis mine) > [@adaher](#): > > Problem is, you’re getting into stuff that will never change, ever, ever, ever, so at some point it has to be gotten over. **When the worst thing a black man has to worry about** is being psychologically wounded by a little white lady( who of course has NO reason to ever be fearful given her privileged life where she never has to worry about being a victim of violence based on her sex…) (emphasis mine again) It’s amazing how badly one person can miss the point in such a simple post. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_jeffrey_lebowski/32/215_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Jeffrey_Lebowski)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3013 "2015-01-08T21:23:23Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Part of the reason for those losses were that Democrats have stupid, unformed notions about governance. Like trickle down economics? ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3014 "2015-01-08T21:26:35Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I looked it up, and I got fooled by the Birthers: > > ['Birthers' claim Obama applied to college as a foreigner](http://articles.latimes.com/2012/may/30/news/la-pn-birthers-claim-obama-applied-to-college-as-a-foreigner-20120529) No, it’s worse that that. The fake Birther story said he claimed to be Indonesian. You said he claimed to be Kenyan. So your “factual knowledge” goes even beyond the fake stuff that right-wing kooks put out. You not only accept their bullshit without checking it, you process it in your mind to synthesize it with other bullshit, until you have some kind of super-bullshit. Doesn’t that make you the least bit curious about what else you “know” that is complete bullshit? ETA: but kudos for finally checking on the story, five+ years after it came out. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3015 "2015-01-08T21:43:49Z")
Too late to include this in my previous post, but the [Snopes article](http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/occidental.asp) on Obama’s Indonesian scholarship is instructive. Anyone wishing to check the story prior to the LA times article Adaher cited (and who didn’t notice that the fake article was dated April 1) would have easily found out that - there was no such headline story in the Daily Mail - there was no such organization as “Americans for Freedom of Information” - there are no Fulbright scholarships for foreign undergraduates All of that would have been very easy to Google. It might have taken a bit more time to learn that Occidental College has no record of a student named Barry Soetero, or of a court order ordering the release of his (or Obama’s) records. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3016 "2015-01-08T21:51:45Z")
God damn this five minute edit window. But… To be fair to Adaher, he did get one thing right — he implied that Obama’s college application “scandal” was analogous to Elizabeth Warren’s, and that’s correct. They’re both bogus, right-wing bullshit. > **[Did Elizabeth Warren Lie About Her Native American Heritage to Land a Job at...](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/elizabeth-warren-wealthy-native-american/)** > > Memes assert Elizabeth Warren lives in a multi-million-dollar mansion and relied on scant Native American heritage claims to land a job at Harvard. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3017 "2015-01-08T22:02:02Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > … You not only accept their bullshit without checking it, you process it in your mind to synthesize it with other bullshit, until you have some kind of super-bullshit… How long do we have to wait for **adaher** to compost a response? ---
**Author:** ![rogerbox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/76d3ee/32.png) [@rogerbox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rogerbox)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3018 "2015-01-08T22:11:17Z")
I see what you did there… 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3019 "2015-01-08T22:38:30Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I looked it up, and I got fooled by the Birthers: > > ['Birthers' claim Obama applied to college as a foreigner](http://articles.latimes.com/2012/may/30/news/la-pn-birthers-claim-obama-applied-to-college-as-a-foreigner-20120529) You get fooled by every kind of right-wing bullshit - Fox News, Breitbart, Hannity, etc., etc. You come here and spout it out daily, only to be proven wrong time and time again. When are you going to start holding your news sources to a higher standard? Or are you just going to be a convenient fool for the rest of your life? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3020 "2015-01-08T23:49:21Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > You get fooled by every kind of right-wing bullshit - Fox News, Breitbart, Hannity, etc., etc. You come here and spout it out daily, only to be proven wrong time and time again. When are you going to start holding your news sources to a higher standard? Or are you just going to be a convenient fool for the rest of your life? I believe there is a proposal before the International System of Quantities (ISQ) to make the “adaher” the international unit of wrongness. Most times you are wrong about something, it will be measured in “milli-adahers” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=150) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=152)