# Stupid liberal idea of the day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 20, 2011, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086 "2011-04-20T15:35:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 184
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3661 "2015-07-16T19:35:49Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > No, not a ‘gotcha ya’ at all. The President had (IMO) a pretty good answer too, but since I know **Haberdash** is all about fairness, I’ll give him a chance to explain it. _Every_ reporter should have asked why a nuclear deal that gave Iran everything it wanted couldn’t even give the smallest concession – the return of four American prisoners – in return. The story here should be all the other lickspittles who were lined up to ask “do you think the deal you made with Iran was historically great, or epochally awesome” and why we tolerate this sort of fanboyism from the media. The legions of starry-eyed Obama fangirls lined up here to join in the denunciation of the man who dared question the Messiah are just proving my point. He’s the fucking President. He should grow a goddamn pair and stop looking for the nearest fainting couch whenever someone disagrees with him. Six goddamn years now of this persecution complex. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3662 "2015-07-16T19:38:24Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > Some of us actually oppose the worship and thin-skinned hypersensitivity of all Presidents, not just those who oppose whatever color-based team we’ve chosen to join. So to my request that you close your eyes and review the exchange objectively, or with opposite partisan tinge, your answer is No, you’re incapable of introspection. Got it. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3663 "2015-07-16T19:40:11Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > _Every_ reporter should have asked why a nuclear deal that gave Iran everything it wanted couldn’t even give the smallest concession – the return of four American prisoners – in return. That was not the question, however. ---
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3664 "2015-07-16T19:43:58Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > So to my request that you close your eyes and review the exchange objectively, or with opposite partisan tinge, your answer is No, you’re incapable of introspection. Got it. Helen Thomas made incoherent stump speeches about Iraq that didn’t even pretend to be questions, at every GWB press conference. This happened like 50 times. Not even the right-wing media got into this much of a temper tantrum over it. Certainly the Salon-reading people who pretend to be the Party Of Rational Adults didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3665 "2015-07-16T19:45:21Z")
As someone who belongs to neither party and can’t decide whether GWB or Obama is the worst President in American history, I am the only “objective” person in this conversation, and from my objective point of view, this is a meltdown from people who view Obama as a deity and actually experience mental and physical discomfort when they see anyone questioning him. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3666 "2015-07-16T19:51:32Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > _Every_ reporter should have asked why a nuclear deal that gave Iran everything it wanted couldn’t even give the smallest concession – the return of four American prisoners – in return. The story here should be all the other lickspittles who were lined up to ask “do you think the deal you made with Iran was historically great, or epochally awesome” and why we tolerate this sort of fanboyism from the media. > > The legions of starry-eyed Obama fangirls lined up here to join in the denunciation of the man who dared question the Messiah are just proving my point. He’s the fucking President. He should grow a goddamn pair and stop looking for the nearest fainting couch whenever someone disagrees with him. Six goddamn years now of this persecution complex. I’ve seen this before from you, but you should really try to remember that the incessant and absurd spin you apply to your every assertion does you no favors. Not a single assertion you have made above is supported by anything in the link you provided. Obama gave a direct and reasonable answer to a direct question clearly meant as a ‘gotcha’. I get that you didn’t like it. Please stop lying about your motives and intentions, however. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3667 "2015-07-16T19:51:37Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > As someone who belongs to neither party and can’t decide whether GWB or Obama is the worst President in American history, I am the only “objective” person in this conversation, and from my objective point of view, this is a meltdown from people who view Obama as a deity and actually experience mental and physical discomfort when they see anyone questioning him. You are objectively insane, I’ll grant you that. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3668 "2015-07-16T19:52:39Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > He should grow a goddamn pair and stop looking for the nearest fainting couch whenever someone disagrees with him. Six goddamn years now of this persecution complex. Jesus, he let the guy ask his question, and he answered it. He was clearly pissed, but he controlled himself and – again – did answer the question with a well-reasoned response. What about Obama’s reaction resembled “looking for the nearest fainting couch” or a “persecution complex”? Reporter asks an aggressive question, President bristles but answers. What would it look like if Obama “grew a pair”? Tell the guy to go fuck himself? Or would you only be satisfied if the answer was, “You’re right, Major, I suck. I totally dropped the ball there. I don’t care about those four guys.” Honestly, what reaction would you want there? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3669 "2015-07-16T19:52:53Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > As someone who belongs to neither party and can’t decide whether GWB or Obama is the worst President in American history, I am the only “objective” person in this conversation, and from my objective point of view, this is a meltdown from people who view Obama as a deity and actually experience mental and physical discomfort when they see anyone questioning him. Wow, your planet has a pretty low threshold for what constitutes a “meltdown”. Seems like you were hoping for one, and had to settle for one that is swirling around your own mind. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3670 "2015-07-16T19:57:21Z")
Haberdash seems to believe Bill Maher melted down. He’s a political comedian, and not in any way a member of the press. He’s delighted with exchanges like the one between Obama and the reporter, as a source of another 30 seconds of filler on his show. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3671 "2015-07-16T20:00:47Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > As someone who belongs to neither party and can’t decide whether GWB or Obama is the worst President in American history, I am the only “objective” person in this conversation, and from my objective point of view, this is a meltdown from people who view Obama as a deity and actually experience mental and physical discomfort when they see anyone questioning him. Have you objectively stopped beating your wife? ---
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3672 "2015-07-16T20:16:30Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Haberdash seems to believe Bill Maher melted down. He’s a political comedian, and not in any way a member of the press. He’s delighted with exchanges like the one between Obama and the reporter, as a source of another 30 seconds of filler on his show. Not that you **disagree** with Maher’s assertion that a reporter asking a foreign policy question in a press conference is exactly equivalent to calling a black man a nigger. That’s the kind of thing you get thrown out of the club for. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3673 "2015-07-16T20:38:01Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > As someone who belongs to neither party and can’t decide whether GWB or Obama is the worst President in American history, I am the only “objective” person in this conversation, and from my objective point of view, this is a meltdown from people who view Obama as a deity and actually experience mental and physical discomfort when they see anyone questioning him. He’s so objective that he can read the minds of folks like us who frequently criticize (and often praise) Obama, and determine that we’re melting down and see him as a god! That’s some Hannity-level objectivity there. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3674 "2015-07-16T20:49:24Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > Not that you **disagree** with Maher’s assertion that a reporter asking a foreign policy question in a press conference is exactly equivalent to calling a black man a nigger. That’s the kind of thing you get thrown out of the club for. Do you inderstand the concept of “joke”? Saying “nigger” does not get you thrown out of the comedian’s club. ---
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3675 "2015-07-16T20:56:22Z")
No, disagreeing that questioning Emperor Obama’s Iran policy = racism gets you thrown out of the Salon-reading progressives club. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3676 "2015-07-16T20:58:52Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Do you inderstand the concept of “joke”? Saying “nigger” does not get you thrown out of the comedian’s club. Michael Richards will be relieved to hear that. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3677 "2015-07-16T21:00:37Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > No, disagreeing that questioning Emperor Obama’s Iran policy = racism gets you thrown out of the Salon-reading progressives club. How does one get thrown out of a club that doesn’t actually exist? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3678 "2015-07-16T21:05:55Z")
Shhh! It’s a sooper-secret club that exists in **Haberdash** ’s “mind.” We’re all apparently members. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3679 "2015-07-16T21:09:07Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > . . . I’m quite serious: I hope that we turn this thread temporarily into an _Enlighten Haberdash_ thread. . . . Let’s go to the pub for a drink. We’re not far from The Lipstick and Pig. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3680 "2015-07-16T21:27:57Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Shhh! It’s a sooper-secret club that exists in **Haberdash** ’s “mind.” We’re all apparently members. Yeah, well, if someone tries to hit me up for dues, they can piss right off. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=183) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=185)