# Stupid liberal idea of the day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 20, 2011, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086 "2011-04-20T15:35:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 188
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3741 "2015-07-17T18:46:06Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > (Am I wrong, fellow Dopers? I’d not noticed Haberdash until this subthread; has he demonstrated intelligence in the past?) No, this is pretty much what you get. **Haberdash** posts a premise that he knows in advance is unlikely to be agreed with, then follows up with a series of increasingly shrill, accusatory responses that completely mischaracterize any arguments that, to no one’s surprise, happen to disagree. ---
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3742 "2015-07-17T18:59:45Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Haberdash? What is your complaint again? Should Obama have gotten angry to show real feeling? Or should he have put his tail between his legs, say “Yas, sir” and not challenged the questioner at all? In any event his straightforward answer would seem to put the question about the prisoners to rest. What’s your burr again? 😕 The progressosphere media shouldn’t have engaged in a cryfest over the last three days that demonstrated their psychological shattering over the notion of Obama being asked a question about his foreign policy, up to and including Bill Maher’s tweet, widely celebrated in mainstream outlets, that outright stated “a reporter asking the President a question is literally the same thing as calling him a nigger.” ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3743 "2015-07-17T19:04:56Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > No, he just demonized those who couldn’t defend themselves. See Welfare Queens. And air traffic controllers. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3744 "2015-07-17T19:06:26Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > The progressosphere media shouldn’t have engaged in a cryfest over the last three days that demonstrated their psychological shattering over the notion of Obama being asked a question about his foreign policy, up to and including Bill Maher’s tweet, widely celebrated in mainstream outlets, that outright stated “a reporter asking the President a question is literally the same thing as calling him a nigger.” So, that line of argument about Obama needing to grow a pair and to stop looking for a fainting couch when he faces reporters… you’re dropping that part? You no longer want to engage on that topic, and instead want to engage on the topic of whether Bill Maher is an ass? Because I think a lot of us would probably agree with you on that one. Bill Maher is an ass. I would like to see more evidence of a widespread “cryfest” as opposed to people just having a heated argument, though. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3745 "2015-07-17T19:07:16Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Provided the Iranian government is sincere. Remember how North Korea got the bomb? Multiple rounds of talks, delays, agreements, extended deadlines and renegations that in hindsight were simply stalling until they could finish developing their bomb. If the Iranians are close enough to perfecting a nuke, they may just be buying time. North Korea has the bomb? cite? ---
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3746 "2015-07-17T19:08:53Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > But it really doesn’t matter whether at heart you hate Obama for the drones, or hate him for ACA, or hate him for his Marxism, or hate him for his skin color. Whatever it is is just your own mental confusion or defect, and has no utility in adult discourse. I’m glad someone is finally stating it outright. It **doesn’t matter** whether criticism of Obama is based on disagreeing with his policies, or white supremacy. It **doesn’t matter** whether it’s based on something true (like the drone program) or something made up (like him being a Marxist). It **doesn’t matter** whether the motivation is a sincere belief that there is a better way to advance American interests than what Obama is doing, or partisan politics, or racism. It **doesn’t matter**. All criticism of Obama is unacceptable and prima facie evidence of mental illness, and the Party of Rational Adults simply isn’t going to stand for it. They don’t really care whether it’s true or not, or whether it’s coming from a reasonable place or not. They’re going to shout “racist” at it and refuse to allow cognitive dissonance to pierce their mental shrine to Dear Leader. It **doesn’t matter**. ---
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3747 "2015-07-17T19:11:36Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > So, that line of argument about Obama needing to grow a pair and to stop looking for a fainting couch when he faces reporters… you’re dropping that part? You no longer want to engage on that topic, and instead want to engage on the topic of whether Bill Maher is an ass? Because I think a lot of us would probably agree with you on that one. Bill Maher is an ass. It takes a lot more courage to engage in a real debate with an opposing position than to pander to the “Obama Destroys Racist Critic” clickbait media with a pre-scripted zinger. This applies just as well to Ronald Reagan, Lloyd Bentsen, David Cameron, and every other politician who thinks getting a laugh from his base constitutes an argument. Obama doesn’t have the courage to do this. And his supporters, by letting him know they will destroy anyone who dissents from him on his behalf, are letting him know he never needs to develop it. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3748 "2015-07-17T19:11:41Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Provided the Iranian government is sincere. Remember how North Korea got the bomb? Multiple rounds of talks, delays, agreements, extended deadlines and renegations that in hindsight were simply stalling until they could finish developing their bomb. … that’s not how they got it. ---
**Author:** ![OffByOne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/45deac/32.png) [@OffByOne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OffByOne)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3749 "2015-07-17T19:17:52Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > If even asking what’s up with the American hostages in Iran in light of the deal is beyond-the-pale racism that throws the Obamabots into a fainting spell, I can only imagine the hysterics that trying to discuss the deal itself with them will trigger. It’s taken me a lot of time to read through this thread (so I don’t duplicate something said 4 (!) years ago) so I could get to the point that responding to a post won’t make me look like I lost the keys to the WayBack machine… “Asking what’s up with the American hostages in Iran” would be something like this: “What is your plan for returning the hostages in Iran?” The question he tried to trap the President (not The One, not Emperor Obama, not Lord High Almighty of the Several Universes, etc.) with was more along the lines of “Why don’t you tell us how happy it makes you to ignore the American hostages in Iran?” My other comment has to do with Haberdash’s use of the term “Obamabot.” This was a term that a non-Haberdash poster used to lampoon H’s use of slurs to paint Democrats in general, reagrdless of their support or lack thereof of the President. Now you’ve gone and given him another snarky way to refer to those to which hse has no response other than another ad hominem attack. Thanks. Thanks a lot. ---
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3750 "2015-07-17T19:21:49Z")
Yes yes, he didn’t follow proper deferential protocol when addressing the God-King. He should have crawled to the podium on all fours with his head down until addressed, like the other reporters do. We know. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3751 "2015-07-17T19:22:24Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Provided the Iranian government is sincere. Remember how North Korea got the bomb? Multiple rounds of talks, delays, agreements, extended deadlines and renegations that in hindsight were simply stalling until they could finish developing their bomb. If the Iranians are close enough to perfecting a nuke, they may just be buying time. That may be true, but I put NK squarely in the “batshit crazy” category and Iran, despite Bush’s “Axis of Evil” tag, is simply a religious theocracy we disagree with. Even still, those 4 people should not have been bargaining chips we were willing to concede terms to Iran for. In the grand scheme of things, they are not important. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3752 "2015-07-17T19:25:31Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > North Korea has the bomb? > cite? [Too easy.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction) ---
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3753 "2015-07-17T19:27:52Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > That may be true, but I put NK squarely in the “batshit crazy” category and Iran, despite Bush’s “Axis of Evil” tag, is simply a religious theocracy we disagree with. Even still, those 4 people should not have been bargaining chips we were willing to concede terms to Iran for. In the grand scheme of things, they are not important. But it’s racist to imply that your god thinks the same way you do. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3754 "2015-07-17T19:32:39Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > [Too easy.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction) Thanks, Elvis. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3755 "2015-07-17T19:56:03Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > But it’s racist to imply that your god thinks the same way you do. Dude, get up, walk around and breath a little. Those last few posts are completely incoherent. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3756 "2015-07-17T19:56:29Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > It takes a lot more courage to engage in a real debate with an opposing position than to pander to the “Obama Destroys Racist Critic” clickbait media with a pre-scripted zinger. This applies just as well to Ronald Reagan, Lloyd Bentsen, David Cameron, and every other politician who thinks getting a laugh from his base constitutes an argument. Obama doesn’t have the courage to do this. And his supporters, by letting him know they will destroy anyone who dissents from him on his behalf, are letting him know he never needs to develop it. I have trouble following your argument. You’re saying that Obama expected a reporter to ask about the hostages, and his _pre-scripted zinger_ was “that’s nonsense, and you should know better”? That was his scripted zinger, delivered a second before he went into detail about why he thought it was wrong to link the topic of hostages to the topic of nukes? Obama did not run from the question. He answered it. And, in what way did his supporters “destroy” Garret? Has he been fired? Is someone calling for a boycott? Are there protesters outside his office? Has a radio host spent the past several days calling him a slut? Bill Maher called him a name on Twitter, I grant you that. Who has been destroyed? ETA: By the way, Obama can deliver a zinger. The guy can be funny and skewer people. Ask Donald Trump. If his halting, trying-hard-to-be-nice response to Garret was a zinger, it was not up to his usual standards. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3757 "2015-07-17T19:59:16Z")
I’ve decided to switch my worship from Obama to **Haberdash**. All hail his uber-objectivity! All hail his ability to read the minds of liberals! All hail his political world-view that just so happens to match right-wing talking points! All hail **HABERDASH**! May his worshipfulness prosper and smite the false god Obama! ---
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3758 "2015-07-17T20:02:12Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > I have trouble following your argument. You’re saying that Obama expected a reporter to ask about the hostages, and his _pre-scripted zinger_ was “that’s nonsense, and you should know better”? That was his scripted zinger, delivered a second before he went into detail about why he thought it was wrong to link the topic of hostages to the topic of nukes? Obama did not run from the question. He answered it. You really think “that’s nonsense, and you should know better” is a substantive answer to a question and not a planned attempt to get pageviews on HuffPo? OK, whatever. > [@](#): > > ETA: By the way, Obama can deliver a zinger. The guy can be funny and skewer people. Ask Donald Trump. If his halting, trying-hard-to-be-nice response to Garret was a zinger, it was not up to his usual standards. Make sure to polish your framed Obama picture before sundown. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3759 "2015-07-17T20:06:29Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > You really think “that’s nonsense, and you should know better” is a substantive answer to a question and not a planned attempt to get pageviews on HuffPo? OK, whatever. No, the substantive response was what came right after the terrible zinger. The part where Obama outlined his rationale for not linking the two topics. Did you watch that part? The part where he answered the question. Or did you stop after the “nonsense” part? > [@](#): > > Make sure to polish your framed Obama picture before sundown. You’re a fucking idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/3760 "2015-07-17T20:49:35Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > North Korea has the bomb? > cite? In case this isn’t a woosh, [yes they have had it for a number of years](http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-pacific-11813699) > [@elucidator](#): > > Do they have message boards in Iran? If they did, sure as shit there’s a guy typing in Farsi screaming about appeasing the Great Satan and how Obama is just setting them up to be nuked by Israel. He’s secretly Jewish, you know… Yep,[pretty much](http://rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iran/070420151). A good deal is one where hard liners on both sides are unhappy. ETA: ninja’d by Elvis. Spent to long reading about the history of North Koreas Nuclear program and not enough time typing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=187) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=189)