# Stupid liberal idea of the day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 20, 2011, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086 "2011-04-20T15:35:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2011, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/361 "2011-10-07T19:04:32Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Sigh. > > The states wouldn’t have to pass laws like this if the fuckin’ federal government would do its job correctly in the first place and seal the borders. The fact that they are suing the state for having to do the fed’s job is where the massive stupidity comes into play. Really? You’re going with “The Feds should have to protect the states from their own stupidity”? You really wanna go with that? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2011, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/362 "2011-10-07T19:07:01Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Sigh. > > The states wouldn’t have to pass laws like this if the fuckin’ federal government would do its job correctly in the first place and seal the borders. The fact that they are suing the state for having to do the fed’s job is where the massive stupidity comes into play. And the federal government are all composed of liberals? When did this happen? Or did the socialist Obama command that this should happen all by himself? Do you think that opposition to “sealing the borders” is a stupid liberal idea? Perhaps you should do a poll of businesses that hire immigrants, and see what they tell you. Are they “stupid liberals” too? Do you think that any nuanced position on immigration aside from “seal the borders” is a stupid liberal idea? Finally, are you retarded? Like fully designated? ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2011, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/363 "2011-10-07T19:27:48Z")
**Clothahump** , you’re a moron. You suck. Can we please find someone else who can do a competent job linking actual liberal stupidity, and not just mundane policy disagreements? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2011, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/364 "2011-10-07T19:32:37Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > The states wouldn’t have to pass laws like this if the fuckin’ federal government would do its job correctly in the first place and seal the borders. That’s not in the Constitution. What are you, some kind of subversive? ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2011, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/365 "2011-10-07T19:34:08Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Speaks for itself. > [http://old.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20111007/ap\_on\_re\_us/us\_alabama\_immigration\_law](http://old.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20111007/ap_on_re_us/us_alabama_immigration_law) Immigration reform is not solely a liberal stupidity, unless Downsize DC is suddenly not a right-libertarian organization. [http://www.downsizedcfoundation.org/blog/the-real-immigration-problem](http://www.downsizedcfoundation.org/blog/the-real-immigration-problem) ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2011, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/366 "2011-10-07T19:55:54Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > The states wouldn’t have to pass laws like this if the fuckin’ federal government would do its job correctly in the first place and seal the borders. You make this statement as if the Federal Government’s just run out of duct tape and weatherproofing strips rather than ensure absolute control at all times over 1,969 miles of land borders and another 2,000+ miles of ocean border around the Gulf of Mexico. > [@Clothahump](#): > > Hmmmm…we can use your moronic post as another example of “stupid liberal ideas”. Thanks for your entry! [/QUOTE] You’re more than welcome! The only idea I postulated is that you’re a simpering, snivvelling, drool out your cleft palate, bang your helmetless head against the wall, complete and total idiot. So if you’d like to highlight that, draw attention to it, and let others debate that, be my guest. Me? I think it “speaks for itself” ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2011, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/367 "2011-10-07T21:58:47Z")
You don’t have much assistance? Pull yourself up by your bootstraps, man. Your side is sposed to be all rugged individualists, like, not whining like that… ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2011, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/368 "2011-10-09T00:17:20Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > **Clothahump** , you’re a moron. You suck. > > Can we please find someone else who can do a competent job linking actual liberal stupidity, and not just mundane policy disagreements? I tried. [Really I did.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=611493) But I got Betamaxed by Clotho the Clown here. But I did called this one pretty accurately: > [@Me in the other thread back in June](#): > > “There are so many to choose from and we all know Democrats are stupid but I couldn’t possibly be bothered to name any because you’ll only say they don’t count because you’re all liberal sheeple.” > [@Clothahump this week](#): > > There is just soooo much stoopid out there on the liberal side that I haven’t got time to post it all. Plus the vast majority of people on this board are liberal, so I don’t have much assistance. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2011, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/369 "2011-10-09T16:19:20Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Sigh. > > The states wouldn’t have to pass laws like this if the fuckin’ federal government would do its job correctly in the first place and seal the borders. The fact that they are suing the state for having to do the fed’s job is where the massive stupidity comes into play. My name is **Clothahump** , and as a Conservative, I demand MORE GOVERNMENT ACTION! Just stop pretending you have principles and admit the only time you have a problem with government action is when you it isn’t screwing the right (left) people. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2011, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/370 "2011-10-09T17:17:40Z")
It is virtually impossible to seal the border. A man who is willing to risk his life to sell drugs will find a way. A man who is willing to to risk his life to feed his family will find a way. Build the bestest wall evah! and they will go over it, around it, under it, or through it. It won’t work. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2011, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/371 "2011-10-09T17:19:27Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > No, I don’t. There is just soooo much stoopid out there on the liberal side that I haven’t got time to post it all. Plus the vast majority of people on this board are liberal, so I don’t have much assistance. No question, the Tree of the Fruit of Liberal Stupidity is _so_ generous, _so_ abundant that your approach—citing a “stupid liberal idea of the day” that’s obscure or inconsequential, once every ten days or so—has been misunderstood. Mark my words: **Humpy** knows from showmanship, and you never lead with your A-list material. He knows the art of the slow burn—drag us along with what appear to be non-stories, lull us into complacency, and then BANG! He brings out the really big guns! We’re going to be laughing out of the other side of our mealy mouths, just you wait. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2011, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/372 "2011-10-09T17:23:18Z")
Well, gee, I dunno, **Vinny**. I’m in my later youth, and the doctor says I cannot reasonably expect more than twenty, thirty years. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2011, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/373 "2011-10-09T17:43:15Z")
Its the post-modernist irony! The stupid liberal idea of the day is discussing issues with **Clothahump** , which is like playing music to a block of cheese! ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2011, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/374 "2011-10-09T18:48:13Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Its the post-modernist irony! The stupid liberal idea of the day is discussing issues with **Clothahump** , which is like playing music to a block of cheese! Liberal post of the day. ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2011, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/375 "2011-10-09T19:46:06Z")
I want to join the bashing party! [California allows college aid to illegal immigrants](http://news.yahoo.com/california-governor-signs-controversial-dream-act-191902671.html) Screw all you legal American citizens! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2011, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/376 "2011-10-09T20:11:04Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > I want to join the bashing party! > > [California allows college aid to illegal immigrants](http://news.yahoo.com/california-governor-signs-controversial-dream-act-191902671.html) > > Screw all you legal American citizens! 😉 Well, there is actually a reasonable argument to be made that _some_ citizens and legal residents _might_ be adversely affected by this bill. After all, allowing illegals to apply for aid increases the pool of applicants without increasing the pool of money. There is also, as some critics have suggested, a more general argument of principle, that people who are here illegally should not be provided with the same benefits enjoyed by citizens and legal residents. But i just can’t get worked up about it. Firstly, it is very clear that the Act applies to people who have been brought to the United States as children, and who have already spent considerable time within the California school system. These people generally came with their parents, and i don’t see a need to make their lives even harder by punishing them for decisions that they generally had little or no part in making. Secondly, as [this story](http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2011/10/09/governor-brown-signs-second-half-california-dream-act/) notes: > [@](#): > > The contentious second half of the package requires that immigrant students meet the same requirements as all other students applying for financial aid at state universities but specifies that they only qualify for financial aid after all the other legal residents have applied. And, in the Cal Grants program, the new legislation will apply to about one percent (1%) of the total pot. Given the state of California’s finances, and all the places where money is wasted, i can’t get too worked up about a program that will cost about $14 million to help some kids, who are already on a path to citizenship anyway, get a decent education. Finally, if this is a “stupid liberal idea,” someone better tell [Texas](http://www.dallasnews.com/news/education/headlines/20100314-Number-of-illegal-immigrants-getting-in-9925.ece). > [@](#): > > During the fall semester, 12,138 students - about 1 percent of all Texas college students - benefited from the state law granting in-state tuition, according to the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board. Most of the immigrants among those students are illegal, and some others are not legal permanent residents or U.S. citizens. > > Texas awarded about $33.6 million in state and institutional financial aid to those students between fall 2004 and summer 2008. > > In 2001, Texas became the first state in the country to pass an in-state tuition law. The law created a national movement. Many private universities also now award aid to illegal immigrant students. They also better have a talk with that well-known liberal, Rick Perry: > [@](#): > > Even so, Gov. Rick Perry supports the law aiding illegal immigrant students. In a recent debate, he said the students are on the path to citizenship. However, they actually won’t be on that path unless the Dream Act passes. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f07891/32.png) [@Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Plastic_Ninja)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/377 "2011-10-11T04:51:38Z")
I was going to say – California’s jumping on Perry’s bandwagon? ---
**Author:** ![nonentity](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/eada6e/32.png) [@nonentity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nonentity)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2011, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/378 "2011-10-14T05:16:32Z")
The California AB 131 Dream Act is more proof that California is going down the drain. I live in North Hollywood, California and every sign and every billboard is in Spanish where I live. At my work people don’t even flush their used toilet paper down the drain, instead they just throw used toilet paper on the floor because they think they are in Mexico where they can’t afford first world plumbing. I live in California and am a USA citizen born in USA, and I pay thousands of dollars a year in federal and state taxes, for what? My parents were immigrants from Japan but they were legal. My grandfather served in the US army in WW2 against the Japanese and Germans even though he was a Japanese-American. I don’t understand why gov. jerry brown would sign ab 131 the illegal alien dream act. How can you justify giving US American public tax money to citizens of another country so they can pay for school in the USA? I don’t agree that tax money should pay for illegal aliens high school either. And I don’t care about Texas or Perry. If Illegals want a free education, then they should join the military and put their life on the line and prove that they would die for the USA. Just like my grandfather did back in WW2. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2011, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/379 "2011-10-14T06:21:45Z")
> [@nonentity](#): > > How can you justify giving US American public tax money to citizens of another country so they can pay for school in the USA? It’s a generally provable fact that immigrants (illegal or not), as a cohort, increase the economic well-being of the country if their children are allowed to stay. This benefit improves even more if they are allowed to be educated, even to the high school diploma level. So yeah, that bill got signed into law because statistically it will be a net economic gain. Thanks for asking! ---
**Author:** ![nonentity](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/eada6e/32.png) [@nonentity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nonentity)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2011, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/380 "2011-10-14T07:43:06Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > It’s a generally provable fact that immigrants (illegal or not), as a cohort, increase the economic well-being of the country if their children are allowed to stay. Seriously? Have you walked the steets of los angeles lately? Nothing but crime, drugs, and filth thanks to the deluge of anti american illegals aliens. > [@Zeriel](#): > > This benefit improves even more if they are allowed to be educated, even to the high school diploma level. Benefit who? American tax payer citizens or illegal aliens? How can it benefit American citizens when the pool of college public financial aid is increased to citizens of foreign countries? > [@Zeriel](#): > > So yeah, that bill got signed into law because statistically it will be a net economic gain. Thanks for asking! Doesn’t it make more sense to provide higher education to legal citizens who’s parents have paid the taxes? If your parents didn’t pay taxes in this country then you shouldn’t get the benefits of this country. If you are an illegal alien and want to go to college, then i’m sure your home country would gladly accept your application. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=20)