# Stupid liberal idea of the day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 20, 2011, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086 "2011-04-20T15:35:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2011, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/401 "2011-10-14T15:41:45Z")
> [@nonentity](#): > > Of course there is. > > I’d rather see my tax money spent sending an soldier defending my freedom, than my tax money spent sending a entitled foreign citizen going to college. Funfact: Soldiers don’t really defend your freedom anymore. Iraq or Afghanistan weren’t going to overthrow the government. I’d personally rather see your tax dollars spent on remedial training for you. Maybe with a lot of hard work, we can actually make you a functional, reasoning member of society. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2011, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/402 "2011-10-14T17:22:17Z")
I daresay a college-educated resident can probably contribute more to society than a military-trained one (I suppose someone with both, i.e. someone who uses the G.I. Bill has a good chance at contributing most of all). ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2011, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/403 "2011-10-14T21:55:04Z")
I want to add something to this thread that I just thought of a stupid liberal idea (Now and recently, but not always): Keith Olbermann. I can’t recall ever going from LOVING someone in the media so much to LOATHING them so thoroughly. He is the most pompous, over the top, exsanguinating self-righteous lefty I have ever had the misfortune to be aware of. Gah. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2011, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/404 "2011-10-14T22:09:38Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I daresay a college-educated resident can probably contribute more to society than a military-trained one (I suppose someone with both, i.e. someone who uses the G.I. Bill has a good chance at contributing most of all). Er… I don’t disagree that every government dollar spent on college for a resident is at least as well spent as the equivalent in the military segment, but please note that a high percentage of “military training” goes toward technical and management skills with full crossover applicability to civilian occupations. And most servicemen aren’t careerists. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2011, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/405 "2011-10-14T22:33:16Z")
anybody who would list _Calabasas_ as an example of the mean streets of LA… can’t much be taken seriously anymore…_snicker_ ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2011, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/406 "2011-10-14T22:34:47Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I tried. [Really I did.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=611493) But I got Betamaxed by Clotho the Clown here. > > But I did called this one pretty accurately: Gyrate, that was impressive and I just wanted to acknowlege your incredible soothsaying abilities. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2011, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/407 "2011-10-14T22:46:19Z")
> [@nonentity](#): > > I invite you to visit Lankershim Blvd and Sherman Way in North Hollywood. > > The Home Depot there is 100 deep in illegal aliens. > > Seriously, I worked as an ambulance EMT in Los Angeles, Calabasas, Alta Dena, San Fernando Valley, La Canada, West Hollywood. > > I’ve seen my share of los angeles filth. For you non-Angelenos, before you take this source at all seriously: The 2010 United States Census[27] reported that Calabasas had a population of 23,058. The population density was 1,780.4 people per square mile (687.4/km²). The racial makeup of Calabasas was 19,341 (83.9%) White, 375 (1.6%) African American, 48 (0.2%) Native American, 1,993 (8.6%) Asian, 8 (0.0%) Pacific Islander, 368 (1.6%) from other races, and 925 (4.0%) from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 1,481 persons (6.4%). Wikipedia also lists all of the celebrities who live there, if you are interested in that sort of thing. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2011, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/408 "2011-10-14T23:39:59Z")
La Canada? I guess the Quebecois won. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/409 "2011-10-15T00:06:46Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > I want to add something to this thread that I just thought of a stupid liberal idea (Now and recently, but not always): > > Keith Olbermann. > > I can’t recall ever going from LOVING someone in the media so much to LOATHING them so thoroughly. He is the most **pompous, over the top, exsanguinating self-righteous lefty** I have ever had the misfortune to be aware of. Gah. Really? Even moreso than Bill Maher? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/410 "2011-10-15T00:11:33Z")
By golly, I won’t put up with exsanguinating! I draw the line, there. People marrying armadilloes, well, whatever does it for you, I guess. But public exsanguinating! Nosir! Has to be some limits! ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/411 "2011-10-15T00:34:37Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Really? Even moreso than Bill Maher? > > -Joe “more”? I don’t consider Bill Maher _any_ of those things. I think Bill Maher is wonderfully clear, straightforward, and extremely fair-minded for someone who has a very strong political viewpoint. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/412 "2011-10-15T01:34:28Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Would you really take away 11 million jobs from U.S. citizens who want to enlist in the military? Your insulting language (and that of some of your critics) I oppose but can’t argue against logically. But on jobs, you’re factually mistaken. Jobs are going to be roughly proportionate to the number of consumers. If you expel 11 million people, they take their jobs with them. Maybe, that, year, crops rot on a vine in the US, as someone showed me before in a reliable link, or, at best, that year, US citizens pick the crop for a much higher pay. But next year – I buy produce picked by Mexicans, in Mexico. Not only do those Mexicans start paying Mexican taxes rather than ours, the Americans put out of work by our declining farm economy can no longer have their unemployment benefits paid by undocumented workers. > [@nonentity](#): > > I’d rather see my tax money spent sending an soldier defending my freedom, than my tax money spent sending a entitled foreign citizen going to college. Our military is going to be stronger – at the same cost to taxpayers – if it has a larger pool of potential recruits to choose from. If you want to talk about wasted spending in support of higher education, how about this: Little more than half the freshmen at supposedly four year US colleges have their bachelor’s degree even six years later. By increasing the pool of those eligible, we would have a better chance that the young men and women getting a government-subsidized education were actually college material. Now, if the college material college graduates actually stay in this country, they will pay, for the next several decades, the taxes needed to provide baby boomers like my wife and I social security and medicare benefits. True, if they get a, say, University of Texas degree, and live in the shadows due to lack of Dream Act passage, the tax benefit to the US will be less. And if they are expelled, as you seem to want, it be a zero. Your idea that immigrants take jobs bears considerable similarity to the thankfully declining liberal obsession with over-population. Stupid? No. Liberal? Could be 😉 ’ ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/413 "2011-10-15T01:43:46Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Really? Even moreso than Bill Maher? > > -Joe Well much more reasonable than Beck, Limburger and the weirdos at Fox. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/414 "2011-10-15T03:14:32Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Your insulting language (and that of some of your critics) I oppose but can’t argue against logically. I don’t think I was particularly insulting, especially by Pit standards. > [@](#): > > But on jobs, you’re factually mistaken. Jobs are going to be roughly proportionate to the number of consumers. If you expel 11 million people, they take their jobs with them. Maybe, that, year, crops rot on a vine in the US, as someone showed me before in a reliable link, or, at best, that year, US citizens pick the crop for a much higher pay. But next year – I buy produce picked by Mexicans, in Mexico. Not only do those Mexicans start paying Mexican taxes rather than ours, the Americans put out of work by our declining farm economy can no longer have their unemployment benefits paid by undocumented workers. I was responding to **nonentity** ’s idea that illegal aliens attain citizenship by serving in the military. Military enlistment is hardly an open market for labor. The military budget, number of troops, and pay grades are all predetermined. Every one of those slots that goes to an alien is one that doesn’t go to a citizen. I found a cite that said there are 11 million illegal aliens in the U.S. I wanted to find out if **nonentity** had really considered all the implications of his proposal. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/415 "2011-10-15T03:49:10Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Well much more reasonable than Beck, Limburger and the weirdos at Fox. C’mon… Bill Maher is a very serious liberal, but he’s also very reasonable, intelligent and not at all carried away by his ideology. That’s what I love about him (because he BLOWS as a comedian) he doesn’t deny reality in the service of his personal agenda or belief system at all. Olbermann, on the other hand, comes across like your worst nightmare of what a politically hyper-correct liberal can become. He’s checked his brain at the door of his ideology and embraced being The Voice of Righteousness. Makes me embarassed to be liberal. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/416 "2011-10-15T03:51:01Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > C’mon… Bill Maher is a very serious liberal, but he’s also very reasonable, intelligent and not at all carried away by his ideology. That’s what I love about him (because he BLOWS as a comedian) he doesn’t deny reality in the service of his personal agenda or belief system at all. > > Olbermann, on the other hand, comes across like your worst nightmare of what a politically hyper-correct liberal can become. He’s checked his brain at the door of his ideology and embraced being The Voice of Righteousness. Makes me embarassed to be liberal. You make me embarrassed to be a mammal. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/417 "2011-10-15T04:22:52Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > C’mon… Bill Maher is a very serious liberal, but he’s also very reasonable, intelligent and not at all carried away by his ideology. Except for being an anti-vax wingnut, natch. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/418 "2011-10-15T04:46:38Z")
Knew he was a notorious Petaphile. Didn’t know about the anti-vax stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/419 "2011-10-15T04:47:47Z")
It’s my understanding he softened his vax stance. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2011, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/420 "2011-10-15T05:34:23Z")
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