# Stupid liberal idea of the day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 20, 2011, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086 "2011-04-20T15:35:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 211
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4201 "2015-12-03T19:38:31Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Tell me about it. Has the OP, in the entire history of this thread, contributed more than two or three potential ‘stupid liberal ideas’? As far as I can tell, his min contributions have been to show up every couple months, hurl a drive-by insult or tow, then disappear again. > > Well past time to put this one to bed, methinks. Well, then, I pit him for being a horrendous and lazy pitter. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4202 "2015-12-03T19:49:03Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Tell me about it. Has the OP, in the entire history of this thread, contributed more than two or three potential ‘stupid liberal ideas’? As far as I can tell, his min contributions have been to show up every couple months, hurl a drive-by insult or tow, then disappear again. > > Well past time to put this one to bed, methinks. Hell, the opening post was a fail as pointed out by **Jack Batty** two posts later. > [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Dumb fucking liberals! Insisting that medical aid be available in case a kid gets hurt. > > What’s wrong with: “Rub some dirt on it, you little pansy?” ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4203 "2015-12-04T03:47:34Z")
Stupid liberal idea from the top Democrat: “Everyone should be believed at first before they are disbelieved based on evidence.” > **[Hillary Clinton asked about Paula Jones during campaign stop](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-asked-about-paula-jones-during-campaign-stop/)** > > Clinton was asked whether her position that all rape victims should be believed applies to three names from her past Pretty serious failure of logic there. None of Clinton’s accusers have been debunked based on evidence, they’ve been debunked based on lack of evidence to back up their claims. Which means that no, accusers should not just “be believed” as a general principle. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4204 "2015-12-04T03:55:45Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Stupid liberal idea from the top Democrat: “Everyone should be believed at first before they are disbelieved based on evidence.” > > [Hillary Clinton asked about Paula Jones during campaign stop - CBS News](http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-asked-about-paula-jones-during-campaign-stop/) > > Pretty serious failure of logic there. None of Clinton’s accusers have been debunked based on evidence, they’ve been debunked based on lack of evidence to back up their claims. Which means that no, accusers should not just “be believed” as a general principle. Or it could be the lack of evidence is due to the made-up claims. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4205 "2015-12-04T04:00:53Z")
Could be, but without evidence, hasn’t Clinton made the argument that accusers should be believed? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4206 "2015-12-04T04:07:06Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Could be, but without evidence, hasn’t Clinton made the argument that accusers should be believed? So you’re all right with the police accusing you of a crime and not having to provide evidence before throwing you in jail? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4207 "2015-12-04T04:15:20Z")
Not all right with it at all. Thus the stupidity of Clinton’s statement. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4208 "2015-12-04T04:24:45Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Could be, but without evidence, hasn’t Clinton made the argument that accusers should be believed? No. Accusers need to also provide evidence. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4209 "2015-12-04T04:26:17Z")
That’s your view, not Clinton’s. Unless it’s her husband, of course. It’s well established that the rules don’t apply to them, even the rules they made. ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4210 "2015-12-04T04:36:50Z")
I think that she’s saying that the default position when someone tells you something should be that they’re telling the truth. That’s not unreasonable to me. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4211 "2015-12-04T04:45:20Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Could be, but without evidence, hasn’t Clinton made the argument that accusers should be believed? It’s amusing to me that so many posters here are perfectly willing to let Bill Clinton off the hook because there’s no evidence despite multiple and sometimes tearful accusations, yet Bill Cosby’s life and career have been ruined over accusations that equally lacking in evidence and in some cases contradicted by the evidence. I find Juanita Broaddrick’s account of her treatment by Bill Clinton particularly harrowing because she claims Clinton physically overpowered her and while raping her bit her lip so hard it bled and bruised, coldly telling her as he left the room after he was finished that she’d better put some ice on it. She also claims Hillary Clinton deliberately made a beeline for her at a political even some time later and stressed so forcefully that the Clinton’s appreciated everything she’d done for them that it was clear she knew what happened and was trying to make sure Broaddrick stayed quiet about it, and that Bill Clinton apologized many years afterward, explaining that he was sorry about what he’d done and was a changed man. At any rate, as far as Hillary Clinton herself goes, it sounds to me like she’s now saying the accused in rape cases should be considered guilty until proven innocent. I’m sure she gets tired of having to deal with the contretemps created by Bill’s disinclination to keep it in his pants, but you’d think her training as a lawyer would tell her there are serious problems with such an approach. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4212 "2015-12-04T04:46:41Z")
> [@Nars\_Glinley](#): > > I think that she’s saying that the default position when someone tells you something should be that they’re telling the truth. That’s not unreasonable to me. Sure, in your personal dealings. Your friend comes to you, says she’s been raped, so yeah, you take her side until evidence tells you you shouldn’t. But public accusations should be regarded with neutrality as the default. Or even outright skepticism. How many have to come out before we believe them? I know the number is somewhere between 5 and 20, but apparently 3 means the guy must be innocent. ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4213 "2015-12-04T04:59:28Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Sure, in your personal dealings. Your friend comes to you, says she’s been raped, so yeah, you take her side until evidence tells you you shouldn’t. > > But public accusations should be regarded with neutrality as the default. Or even outright skepticism. How many have to come out before we believe them? I know the number is somewhere between 5 and 20, but apparently 3 means the guy must be innocent. I don’t know of anyone that thinks that Clinton is innocent. It’s just that there’s nothing that can be done about it now. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4214 "2015-12-04T05:58:52Z")
Would this be the same Paula Jones who made pugilistic history with Tanya Harding? Paula Jones, the Heidi of the Ozarks? That one? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4215 "2015-12-04T06:15:10Z")
Notice that it’s also okay to use the reputation of the accuser as an attention whore against her. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 8:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4216 "2015-12-04T08:00:40Z")
You get right down to it, I feel sorry for her, she was exploited and conned by Kenneth Star and his merry band of rat fuckers. They used to her more ruthlessly than any big city pimp. By the time she got to where she was looking at the check to get in the ring with Tanya Harding, she had no more dignity to lose. You got anything to say about _those_ cynical cocksuckers, or is this Liberal Hypocrisy Week again? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4217 "2015-12-04T08:36:49Z")
This is the liberal thread. Ken Starr complaints go in the conservative thread. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4218 "2015-12-04T14:33:58Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > It’s amusing to me that so many posters here are perfectly willing to let Bill Clinton off the hook because there’s no evidence despite multiple and sometimes tearful accusations, yet Bill Cosby’s life and career have been ruined over accusations that equally lacking in evidence and in some cases contradicted by the evidence. “Multiple” accusations against Clinton? Cite? As for Cosby, I think we’re now up to 27 accusations. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4219 "2015-12-04T14:37:13Z")
Thus my observation that 3 is evidently not enough but 20 definitely is. So would 3 more accusers mean Clinton is probably guilty? Or would it take at least a dozen? By my count, we’re up to 3. Jones, Broaddick, and Willey. Which BTW, is two more than there was against Clarence Thomas, who was of course ultra guilty, no question about it, shouldn’t have been confirmed because of it.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4220 "2015-12-04T14:38:14Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > So would 3 more accusers mean Clinton is probably guilty? Or would it take at least a dozen? Hey, you know it when you see it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=210) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=212)