# Stupid liberal idea of the day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 20, 2011, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086 "2011-04-20T15:35:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 217
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2015, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4321 "2015-12-23T21:55:45Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > Hate to say it, but I’ve got one: > > [Paper pulls cartoon showing Cruz's children](http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2015/12/23/ted-cruz-cartoon-children-washington-post-2016-campaign/77798556/) > > The Washington Post took complete leave of its senses and depicted Cruz’s kids as trained monkeys in an editorial cartoon. They pulled it after a few hours, but WTF were they thinking to post it at all? Imagine if it had been Obama’s kids. Whatever, I think most libs are as agape as I am, but the WaPo can’t be written off the way most of the examples in this thread can. I’m not suggesting that liberals don’t do and say stupid things. They do, and they’ve been pointed out in this thread. My point is that the author of the thread has, as per his usual, fucked up because he’s in over his head talking about such things (full disclosure: I generally am, too. But I realize and admit it). And so, he yet again has to have someone else pull his feet out of the fire and do his homework for him. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2015, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4322 "2015-12-23T22:19:11Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > Hate to say it, but I’ve got one: > > [Paper pulls cartoon showing Cruz's children](http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2015/12/23/ted-cruz-cartoon-children-washington-post-2016-campaign/77798556/) > > The Washington Post took complete leave of its senses and depicted Cruz’s kids as trained monkeys in an editorial cartoon. They pulled it after a few hours, but WTF were they thinking to post it at all? Imagine if it had been Obama’s kids. Whatever, I think most libs are as agape as I am, but the WaPo can’t be written off the way most of the examples in this thread can. Lame! I, too, wish to express my outrage at this stupid liberal idea of the day. Ted Cruz is a disaster and a nightmare, but this cartoon was over the top and out of line. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2015, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4323 "2015-12-23T22:33:00Z")
Hey, paper! Leave those kids alone! ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2015, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4324 "2015-12-23T22:45:11Z")
Well, the thing about **Clothahump** is that he is absolutely correct, every time, without exception. That much is pretty amazing. I am pretty fucking hard-nosed myself, but I do make mistakes and back down when I should. Most of the time. We should admire **Clothahump** for his total unwavering inerrancy. I have met a few people who were almost as constantly correct as he is, but only ever _almost_. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2015, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4325 "2015-12-23T23:47:13Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > Hate to say it, but I’ve got one: > > [Paper pulls cartoon showing Cruz's children](http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2015/12/23/ted-cruz-cartoon-children-washington-post-2016-campaign/77798556/) > > The Washington Post took complete leave of its senses and depicted Cruz’s kids as trained monkeys in an editorial cartoon. They pulled it after a few hours, but WTF were they thinking to post it at all? Imagine if it had been Obama’s kids. Whatever, I think most libs are as agape as I am, but the WaPo can’t be written off the way most of the examples in this thread can. I’m not jumping to find a potential racist angle, but the cartoon fails because: 1. Mocking a pol’s kids, if they are underage and even if they’re being used by their parent in photo-ops is crass (I’m willing to view Bristol Palin as a borderline case, since she turned 18 during her mother’s campaign and was already pregnant at the time); and 2. The mixing of Christmas costuming with the stereotypical organ-grinder’s monkey(s) doesn’t work, because the organ grinder (and monkey) is not traditionally a Christmas idea, as far as I know. I can’t offhand think of a single depiction that was Christmas linked, though admittedly I haven’t seen all that many of them. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2015, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4326 "2015-12-24T00:13:36Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I’m not jumping to find a potential racist angle, but the cartoon fails because: > > 1. Mocking a pol’s kids, if they are underage and even if they’re being used by their parent in photo-ops is crass (I’m willing to view Bristol Palin as a borderline case, since she turned 18 during her mother’s campaign and was already pregnant at the time); and > > 2. The mixing of Christmas costuming with the stereotypical organ-grinder’s monkey(s) doesn’t work, because the organ grinder (and monkey) is not traditionally a Christmas idea, as far as I know. I can’t offhand think of a single depiction that was Christmas linked, though admittedly I haven’t seen all that many of them. Don’t know if the cartoonist is liberal, but this was stupid and offensive, in my view. Little kids shouldn’t be attacked or mocked by adults for any reason, including the politics of their parents, even if they are used by their parents for political purposes. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2015, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4327 "2015-12-24T00:38:51Z")
Wiki sez the cartoonist is generally liberal. Anyway, it’s a terrible cartoon, and she should be roundly criticized for it. I think I get that the target was Cruz for using his kids as props, rather than the kids themselves. But 1) pretty much all politicians enlist their innocent and clueless kids in their ads; and 2) it’s a badly done and offensive cartoon. At least the paper retracted it and apologized. So there’s that. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2015, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4328 "2015-12-24T00:41:52Z")
Since when is the corporatist Washington Post liberal? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2015, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4329 "2015-12-24T00:45:52Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Since when is the corporatist Washington Post liberal? Since it went after a [del]Republican[/del] batshit insane Tea Partier. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2015, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4330 "2015-12-24T01:13:54Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Don’t know if the cartoonist is liberal, but this was stupid and offensive, in my view. Little kids shouldn’t be attacked or mocked by adults for any reason, including the politics of their parents, even if they are used by their parents for political purposes. Does that also apply to a fetus? Or must Chelsea’s child be born before it’s offensive to opine it was conceived as a political prop? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2015, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4331 "2015-12-24T01:19:17Z")
> [@j666](#): > > Does that also apply to a fetus? Or must Chelsea’s child be born before it’s offensive to opine it was conceived as a political prop? I don’t know, but such “opining” is insulting to Chelsea, as well as just ridiculous (as if it’s easy for women to time their pregnancies perfectly, or assuming that Chelsea is happy to rent her womb to her mother’s campaign). With such a long campaign season, and a relatively young, recently married couple like Chelsea and her husband, random chance would seem to favor the likelihood of her being pregnant and having a baby at some point during the campaign. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2015, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4332 "2015-12-24T02:46:05Z")
Chelsea was long criticized by the right when she was little, just for the way she looked. And the right also tries to claim that Michele Obama is really a man, and her daughters are adopted. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2015, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4333 "2015-12-24T16:17:50Z")
Hey, black wives matter! ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2015, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4334 "2015-12-24T16:41:34Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Chelsea was long criticized by the right when she was little, just for the way she looked. And the right also tries to claim that Michele Obama is really a man, and her daughters are adopted. Sure. But not in mainstream media. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2015, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4335 "2015-12-24T22:03:48Z")
> **[Chelsea Clinton Paternity Cover-Up | National Enquirer](https://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/chelsea-clinton-real-father-webster-hubbell-ne1515/)** > > Chelsea Clinton Paternity Cover-Up > **[Just ask Chelsea, Jenna and Barbara: Escaping the glare of the spotlight...](https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/nevius/article/Just-ask-Chelsea-Jenna-and-Barbara-Escaping-the-2808210.php)** > > Escaping the glare of the spotlight isn't easy for kids whose dads work in the Oval... > **[Chelsea Clinton - Biography](https://www.hellomagazine.com/profiles/20091008165/chelsea-clinton/)** > > Chelsea Clinton grew up in the public eye, going from an introverted First Daughter to an A-list public figure friendly with the likes of Madonna and Gwyneth Paltrow. A newspaper advert celebrating Bill Clinton's 2000 visit to India accompanied by... [http://www.gossipcop.com/joan-rivers-michelle-obama-tranny-president-gay/](http://www.gossipcop.com/joan-rivers-michelle-obama-tranny-president-gay/) > **[Care2 is the world's largest social network for good, a community of over 40...](https://www.care2.com/)** > > Largest online community empowering people to lead a healthy and green lifestyle while taking action on important causes such as human rights, animal welfare and global warming. > **[What Obama Called His Wife Has Many People Talking](https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?73420-What-Obama-Called-His-Wife-Has-Many-People-Talking%2Fpage3)** > > Is there a perverted secret being kept from the American people? In the below video this is what is called an unconscious slip.Did Obama let the transvestite out of the bag so to speak?There have been numerous stories that Obama is gay and Michelle... ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2015, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4336 "2015-12-25T00:41:24Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > [http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/chelsea-clinton-real-father-webster-hubbell-NE1515](http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/chelsea-clinton-real-father-webster-hubbell-NE1515) > > [http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/nevius/article/Just-ask-Chelsea-Jenna-and-Barbara-Escaping-the-2808210.php](http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/nevius/article/Just-ask-Chelsea-Jenna-and-Barbara-Escaping-the-2808210.php) > > [Chelsea Clinton - Biography | HELLO!](http://us.hellomagazine.com/profiles/chelsea-clinton/) > > [http://www.gossipcop.com/joan-rivers-michelle-obama-tranny-president-gay/](http://www.gossipcop.com/joan-rivers-michelle-obama-tranny-president-gay/) > > [Care2 is the world's largest social network for good, a community of over 40 million people standing together, starting petitions and sharing stories that inspire action.](http://www.care2.com/causes/when-attacks-on-the-first-lady-take-a-disturbing-anti-trans-turn.html) > > [What Obama Called His Wife Has Many People Talking](http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?73420-What-Obama-Called-His-Wife-Has-Many-People-Talking/page3) I appreciate the links. But I’m not sure what you’re saying. None of those links appear to demonstrate anyone in mainstream media criticizing Chelsea Clinton while she lived in the White House, or claiming that Michele Obama is a man or that their children are adopted. . ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2015, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4337 "2015-12-25T01:13:38Z")
> [@andros](#): > > I appreciate the links. But I’m not sure what you’re saying. None of those links appear to demonstrate anyone in mainstream media criticizing Chelsea Clinton while she lived in the White House, or claiming that Michele Obama is a man or that their children are adopted. > . What if they did? “They do it too” is neither news nor a defense. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2015, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4338 "2015-12-25T02:31:38Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > What if they did? “They do it too” is neither news nor a defense. Quite true, never claimed otherwise. **Rick Kitchen** brought up right-wing assholery against Chelsea (as a child) and the Obamas, which exists and is fucking stupid. I just think the WaPo cartoon is a bit different from that. Bullshit attacks calling Michelle a “she-male” (to quote one of the links above) haven’t–to the best of my knowledge–appeared in a major news outlet’s editorial page. But if I’m wrong, I’d like to know. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2015, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4339 "2015-12-25T03:15:08Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Quite true, never claimed otherwise. **Rick Kitchen** brought up right-wing assholery against Chelsea (as a child) and the Obamas, which exists and is fucking stupid. I just think the WaPo cartoon is a bit different from that. Bullshit attacks calling Michelle a “she-male” (to quote one of the links above) haven’t–to the best of my knowledge–appeared in a major news outlet’s editorial page. > > But if I’m wrong, I’d like to know. No, that sounds more like Rush Limbaugh stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Spavined\_Gelding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/958977/32.png) [@Spavined\_Gelding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spavined_Gelding)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2015, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4340 "2015-12-25T04:07:38Z")
I just saw the Cruz ad that I thing the cartoon referred to. Our Boy reading really strange story books to his daughters, e.g. The Grinch Who Stole Christmas, or some such, with a cartoon Mrs. Clinton as the Grinch. He had it coming. Also, I don’t see the withdrawn cartoon so much as an attack on the Cruz children as a slap at Sen, Cruz for injecting his children into a political ad in such a crude and Sophomoric way. The ad was not informative, or amusing or even provocative. It was just stupid. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=216) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=218)