# Stupid liberal idea of the day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 20, 2011, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086 "2011-04-20T15:35:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 234
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4661 "2016-05-17T19:58:59Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > It’s really sad how lame this thread is. Clothahump’s mundane policy tempests-in-teapots. Adaher’s irrelevant college hijinks… > > There’s so little of note, especially compared to the Stupid GOP Idea of the Day thread. That’s what happens when conservatives don’t want to do the job themselves. The workforce is already overloaded trying to keep up the Republican thread and then all this extra work is dumped on us. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4662 "2016-05-17T20:00:20Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > It’s really sad how lame this thread is. Clothahump’s mundane policy tempests-in-teapots. Adaher’s irrelevant college hijinks… > > There’s so little of note, especially compared to the Stupid GOP Idea of the Day thread. Well, the dumb liberal ideas tend to be assumptions they take on faith that never really made sense. The spiking murder rate is pretty much all liberals’ fault. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4663 "2016-05-17T20:06:36Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > You see fake stories like this all the time? Really? I don’t. In fact the last “faker” story I can remember was when that chick carved a backwards B in forehead and claimed it was Obama thugs who did it. > > Any chance you could link to the plethora of “fakers” you generally run across? Probably those Fw:Fw:Fw:Fw:Fw:Fw:Fw:Fw:Fw:Fw:Fw: emails that just regurgitate slightly altered versions of previously debunked stories. Yesterday’s story about Bob the right wing savior confronting a clerk at Target about their policy becomes tomorrow’s story about Tom, who saved a baby from a pervert at Target and was banned from the store for his good deed. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4664 "2016-05-17T20:09:28Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Well, the dumb liberal ideas tend to be assumptions they take on faith that never really made sense. The spiking murder rate is pretty much all liberals’ fault. [Overall rate or just in some cities?](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/14/us/murder-rates-cities-fbi.html) > [@](#): > > WASHINGTON — Experts cannot agree on what to call a recent rise in homicides, much less its cause, but new data on Friday that showed a sharp spike in homicide rates in more than 20 cities rekindled debate over whether it was time for alarm. > > The data showed particularly significant increases in homicides in six cities in the first three months of the year compared with the same period last year — Chicago, Dallas, Jacksonville, Fla., Las Vegas, Los Angeles and Memphis. But almost as many cities reported a notable decline in recent months. > > Murders and most other types of crime have dropped since an alarming peak in the early 1990s and are now near historic lows. Criminologists said that while a rise in homicides in some cities in 2015 and early this year was potentially worrisome, it was far too early to draw any conclusions. > > James Alan Fox, a criminologist at Northeastern University, said the uptick represented essentially a blip in so short a time, and he said it was a reflection of how low the crime rates had dropped. > > “What’s basically happening is these cities are becoming victims of their own success,” said Professor Fox. The crime rate “can’t go to zero, and when you hit really low numbers, it can only go up.” When you make statements like that, is it really that hard to gives some cites? ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4665 "2016-05-17T20:09:56Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The spiking murder rate is pretty much all liberals’ fault. Not to mention the spiraling-out-of-control national debt! And the shocking lack of good manners! Don’t even get me started on the earthquakes under Mt. St. Helens and Mt. Hood! Flood! Famine! Women and Blacks not knowing their place! Dogs and Cats living together! LIBERALS’ FAULT. :smack: By Og, you’re a fucking idiot, adaher. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4666 "2016-05-17T20:14:25Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Well, the dumb liberal ideas tend to be assumptions they take on faith that never really made sense. The spiking murder rate is pretty much all liberals’ fault. What spiking murder rate? Cite, please, unless you’re just talking about the slight blip of the last few months from historically low levels to slightly-higher-than historically low levels. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4667 "2016-05-17T20:16:52Z")
The way you’ve been making that argument, the murder rate could double and it would still be a “success” since it’s lower than historical levels. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4668 "2016-05-17T20:26:43Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The way you’ve been making that argument, the murder rate could double and it would still be a “success” since it’s lower than historical levels. But it can’t be seen as a trend unless it continues. A brief spike can still result in a total number as low as previous years if it’s just an odd blip. Something I saw about Chicago a few years ago. At some point it was announced that murders were up over the previous year. Oddly, the number of shootings were almost identical so it was a matter of some people shooting a bit straighter or being closer to the victim. So the spike in murders wasn’t due to an increase in attempts, just bad luck for more people. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4669 "2016-05-17T20:32:40Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > Meh. A populists representative has a public tiff with someone who is part of the establishment. > > When Republicans had that happen, it was the Tea Party and they brought actual governance to a complete stop. Wait, what? “Astroturf” is a synonym for “populist”? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4670 "2016-05-17T22:27:22Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Well, the dumb liberal ideas tend to be assumptions they take on faith that never really made sense. The spiking murder rate is pretty much all liberals’ fault. Wait, what? That’s nonsense. I haven’t killed _anyone_ this year. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4671 "2016-05-17T22:35:52Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Wait, what? “Astroturf” is a synonym for “populist”? The fact that corporate and billionaire interests tried to jump on the bandwagon and control the movement doesn’t make it any less grassroots. Nothing about what the TEa party has done is pleasing to the wealthy interests. It is pleasing to the grassroots base, however. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4672 "2016-05-17T22:35:59Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Wait, what? That’s nonsense. I haven’t killed _anyone_ this year. It’s early yet. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4673 "2016-05-17T22:37:01Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The fact that corporate and billionaire interests tried to jump on the bandwagon and control the movement doesn’t make it any less grassroots. Nothing about what the TEa party has done is pleasing to the wealthy interests. It is pleasing to the grassroots base, however. You’re right, it isn’t Astroturf (although the original one, back in Boston, _was_). It’s mere rabble rousing. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4674 "2016-05-17T23:12:33Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The way you’ve been making that argument, the murder rate could double and it would still be a “success” since it’s lower than historical levels. If we have a year of significant increases, then maybe it’s something. If it’s just a few months in some cities, then that’s just a blip, at least for now. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4675 "2016-05-18T06:39:58Z")
Sanders is vowing to fight until the Convention. I think that belongs in this thread. He could bring down exactly his best chance to make some of the changes he believes in, for what? He’s not going to win. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4676 "2016-05-18T08:13:13Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I see too many of these faker stories, although usually it’s college campuses. If this kind of hateful behavior is so common, you shouldn’t need to fake incidents. Because unlike Republicans who commit voter fraud to prove voter fraud is being committed and invade bathrooms to prove bathrooms are being invaded, this idiot wasn’t doing it to prove that homophobic bakers exist - we have _actual_ proof of that. What he was doing was trying to profit personally from a fraud. Conversely, the number of transgender people using the “wrong” bathroom in order to assault people = zero. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4677 "2016-05-18T13:49:07Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > He could bring down exactly his best chance to make some of the changes he believes in, for what? Wait, what? Firstly, if you’re talking about Clinton, I’m not sure how he could “bring her down.” Secondly, again if you’re talking about Clinton, how on earth is she a chance to make progressive changes if Sanders and his supporters do not continue to put pressure on her to do so? (If you’re not talking bout Clinton, I’m even further at sea.) . ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4678 "2016-05-18T13:51:16Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The spiking murder rate is pretty much all liberals’ fault. Please elaborate on that one. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4679 "2016-05-18T14:13:17Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > Please elaborate on that one. OR we could start a “Stupid adaher Idea Of The Day” thread instead. Just sayin’. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4680 "2016-05-18T14:19:16Z")
Take it up with James Comey: > **[Comey increasingly worried about murder spike in cities](https://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/murder-spike-cities-fbi-james-comey-223082)** > > "The numbers are not only going up, they're continuing to go up faster than they were going up last year," he said. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=233) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=235)