# Stupid liberal idea of the day

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**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [April 20, 2011, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086 "2011-04-20T15:35:49Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4841 "2016-06-30T16:18:16Z")

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> [@D\_Anconia](#):
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> “I was really nervous to get up here because there’s a lot of white people in the crowd, and that wasn’t a joke”…
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> Nah!

Serious question: Have you clicked on the YouTubes that show young black girls being thrown to the ground headfirst for minor crimes like riding their bike or talking back? Did you see the YouTube of a black man being shot by a cop for reaching into his car _after the cop asked him to present his car registration_?

Where do you get your detailed knowledge of the problems blacks in the U.S. face? From watching old TV serials?

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**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4842 "2016-06-30T17:52:52Z")

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> [@eschereal](#):
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> Ok, I consider this genuinely stupid. I get e-mails from a well known environmental group. One of the more recent ones had a heart-wrenching story of a grizzly cub hit by a car and the mother bear cradling her dying young one. But then they said that there are only 700 grizzlies left in Yellowstone, down from 100,000.
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> What? There used to be a hundred thousand grizzly bears in Yellowstone? Sorry, no, I am not believing it. The area around Yellowstone for a hundred mile radius might be able to support three or four thousand grizzlies, but a hundred thousand sounds entirely ridiculous.

700 in the park isn’t right either. greater Yellowstone ecosystem, sure. But not in the park itself.

_The estimated Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem grizzly bear population increased from 136 in 1975 to between 674 and 839 in 2014, and the bears have gradually expanded their occupied habitat by more than 50%. As monitored by the Interagency Grizzly Bear Study Team, the criteria used to determine whether the population within the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem has recovered include estimated population size, distribution of females with cubs, and mortality rates. An estimated 150 grizzly bears occupy ranges that lie partly or entirely within Yellowstone. The number of females producing cubs in the park has remained relatively stable since 1996, suggesting that the park may be at or near ecological carrying capacity for grizzly bears._

[https://www.nps.gov/yell/learn/nature/gbearinfo.htm](https://www.nps.gov/yell/learn/nature/gbearinfo.htm)

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**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4843 "2016-06-30T17:59:22Z")

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> [@septimus](#):
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> Serious question: Have you clicked on the YouTubes that show young black girls being thrown to the ground headfirst for minor crimes like riding their bike or talking back? Did you see the YouTube of a black man being shot by a cop for reaching into his car _after the cop asked him to present his car registration_?
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> Where do you get your detailed knowledge of the problems blacks in the U.S. face? From watching old TV serials?

Neither Amos nor Andy was every arrested. Algonquin J. Calhoun, however, had a long record for aggravated uppity.

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**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\
**Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4844 "2016-07-01T03:45:32Z")

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I don’t know if this is a stupid liberal idea, but Justin Timberlake tweets support for Jesse Williams speech at the BET Awards and gets shit for it:

> **[Justin Timberlake Apologizes For Problematic Tweet Dealing With Race](https://uproxx.com/music/justin-timberlake-apologized-for-tweet-jesse-williams/)**
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> Justin Timberlake faced a backlash in response to a tweet calling him out on cultural appropriation.

This “cultural appropriation” shtick has to be one of the dumbest cultural fads I’ve ever seen. So Justin Timberlake is a bad person now?

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**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\
**Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4845 "2016-07-01T14:47:21Z")

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> [@adaher](#):
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> I don’t know if this is a stupid liberal idea, but Justin Timberlake tweets support for Jesse Williams speech at the BET Awards and gets shit for it:
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> [Justin Timberlake Apologizes For Tweet After Jesse Williams' Speech](http://uproxx.com/music/justin-timberlake-apologized-for-tweet-jesse-williams/)
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> This “cultural appropriation” shtick has to be one of the dumbest cultural fads I’ve ever seen. So Justin Timberlake is a bad person now?

😕 Who said JT is a “bad person?” He said something contextually awkward, insensitive, and tone-deaf. He got criticized. He chose to apologize/explain himself. Not a complicated story.

(Is this how bottom-shelf SLIOTD has become? Sad.)

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**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\
**Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4846 "2016-07-01T15:01:39Z")

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In the context of “stupid insensitive things celebrities have said on Twitter”, this doesn’t even rank in the top 1000. Not that he should have said it, but it’s pretty weak sauce in the grand scheme of things.

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**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\
**Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4847 "2016-07-01T16:16:17Z")

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> [@Gyrate](#):
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> In the context of “stupid insensitive things celebrities have said on Twitter”, this doesn’t even rank in the top 1000. Not that he should have said it, but it’s pretty weak sauce in the grand scheme of things.

What confounds me is celebrities still insist on Tweeting at all. They need the account, marketing their brand is important, so fine give it to their publicist or anyone else who can be trusted to not get drunk then fired up and post something stupid on their phone.

I have a hard time believing stupid Tweets makes sense even in the realm of ‘even bad press is press’ where producing and releasing ‘private’ sex tapes is still a viable career move.

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**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\
**Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4848 "2016-07-01T16:20:26Z")

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Didn’t do _me_ any good, only responses I got were from some guy named Tosh on Comedy Central!

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**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\
**Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4849 "2016-07-01T18:44:41Z")

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I’ve stayed out of the stupid Republican/Liberal threads but this one pissed me off. Dumb-ass anti-science liberals pass GMO labeling law in Vermont: [http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/uncertainties-loom-vermont-gmo-law-takes-effect-40268426](http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/uncertainties-loom-vermont-gmo-law-takes-effect-40268426)

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**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\
**Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4850 "2016-07-01T20:07:11Z")

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> [@Deeg](#):
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> I’ve stayed out of the stupid Republican/Liberal threads but this one pissed me off. Dumb-ass anti-science liberals pass GMO labeling law in Vermont: [http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/uncertainties-loom-vermont-gmo-law-takes-effect-40268426](http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/uncertainties-loom-vermont-gmo-law-takes-effect-40268426)

Truly stupid, pandering to sillyninnies, and potentially very costly.

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> Democratic Gov. Peter Shumlin and other state leaders have strongly supported Vermont’s labeling law, saying consumers have a right to know what’s in their food. They planned a noontime celebration of the law.
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> Shumlin encouraged supporters of the new law to take to social media using the hashtag WeLabeledGMOs to post pictures of properly labeled products and comment on the law.
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> “Let’s show the rest of America that giving consumers the right to know what is in their food isn’t that hard or scary, it’s simply the right thing to do,” Shumlin said in a statement.
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> Food producers argue there’s no science supporting any difference between foods that are genetically modified and those that are not. They also say they don’t want to end up with a patchwork of multiple state regulatory schemes.

Dammit, GMOs are _GOOD_. Looking for higher yields, drought and insect resistant strains… we’re gonna _need_ this!

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**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\
**Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4851 "2016-07-01T20:31:24Z")

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Its all part of the struggle between corn and wheat over which will rule the world.

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**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\
**Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4852 "2016-07-01T20:39:57Z")

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Well, corn had a rough childhood, starting out as mere Teosinte grass, so it’s scrappier and more hungry for the win.

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**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\
**Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4853 "2016-07-01T23:16:05Z")

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> [@Gyrate](#):
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> In the context of “stupid insensitive things celebrities have said on Twitter”, this doesn’t even rank in the top 1000. Not that he should have said it, but it’s pretty weak sauce in the grand scheme of things.

I’d note that he started to get shit because he said the speech was inspiring. Then he got into further shit by talking about how we’re all the same, which until about ten minutes ago was standard feel good pablum. Now it’s insensitive and tone deaf. It truly is hard to keep up. If a guy as immersed in black culture as Justin Timberlake doesn’t know what to say, how do the rest of us have any chance?

The relationship between black and white America has progressed. It’s officially a marriage now. Our only role at this point is to say, “You’re right, I’m wrong, I’m sorry.”

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**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\
**Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4854 "2016-07-01T23:19:37Z")

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This one is definitely a stupid liberal idea: FEC Democrats wanted to take regulatory action against Fox News for changing their debate rules to allow more candidates to have exposure.

> **[Fox News Prevails After FEC Votes Not to Punish Network Over GOP Debate](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/fox-news-prevails-fec-votes-not-punish-network-004904763.html)**
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> Democrats on the Federal Election Commission tried to punish Fox News for the way it selected candidates for last August’s presidential debate, but the network walked away unscathed. Stuart Gerson, who served as Fox News outside counsel on the...

> [@](#):
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> A Republican presidential candidate who did not make the cut for last summer’s Fox News GOP debate filed a complaint that he was wasn’t chosen to be one of the 17 candidates spread out between two debates. The primetime version of the debate, which featured the infamous Megyn Kelly/Donald Trump showdown, ended up being the most-watched non-sporting event in cable TV history.
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> The disgruntled candidate, who has not been publicly named, claimed that Fox was essentially making 17 campaign contributions by allowing them to participate in the event.

And all three Democrats backed him. Does the law even matter anymore, or is it just about punishing your enemies?

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**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\
**Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4855 "2016-07-01T23:22:35Z")

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I guess you could have posted it in the SRIOTD thread, and made it about the 'un-named Republican" who brought the complaint in the first place…decisions, decisions…

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**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\
**Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4856 "2016-07-01T23:36:31Z")

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Bitching isn’t a stupid ideological idea, everyone does it. And given that this would have been like the 18th most popular GOP candidate, it’s probably some guy like Vermin Supreme or something. All 17 candidates who were paper qualified or had notoriety in some other way were on that stage. For all the Democrats to want to impose penalties on a news company for a quite reasonable decision is an attack on the 1st amendment. Been a lot of that coming from Democrats lately on many fronts.

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**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\
**Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4857 "2016-07-01T23:48:53Z")

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> [@adaher](#):
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> Bitching isn’t a stupid ideological idea, everyone does it.

He’s not bitching, he filed an _official_ complaint.

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**Author:** ![AlienVessels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba8739/32.png) [@AlienVessels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlienVessels)\
**Post date:** [July 2, 2016, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4858 "2016-07-02T01:26:02Z")

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> [@Typo\_Negative](#):
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> Dammit, GMOs are _GOOD_. Looking for higher yields, drought and insect resistant strains… we’re gonna _need_ this!

No. This is irrational and emotional.

GMO is a technology. I can be used with good or bad intent and have beneficial or harmful results.

For example, a hypothetical Ag company could make a GMO crop that was highly resistant to a very toxic pesticide. There would be pressure to use their product because even if you didn’t use the pesticide, it would likely negatively impact your own crop. And of course there’s no risk in a company having a practical monopoly on the core food supply.

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**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\
**Post date:** [July 2, 2016, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4859 "2016-07-02T01:41:46Z")

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> [@adaher](#):
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> Bitching isn’t a stupid ideological idea, everyone does it. And given that this would have been like the 18th most popular GOP candidate, it’s probably some guy like Vermin Supreme or something. All 17 candidates who were paper qualified or had notoriety in some other way were on that stage. For all the Democrats to want to impose penalties on a news company for a quite reasonable decision is an attack on the 1st amendment. Been a lot of that coming from Democrats lately on many fronts.

It was Mark Everson, and based on fundraising numbers, he actually had more backing than some of the “undercard” candidates, such as Jim Gilmore, who did get invited to the debate. The actual case was based on the last minute reasoning regarding debate participant selection, which was deemed less than objective by this particular Republican candidate.

Part of the argument against Fox was:

[QUOTE=Ann M. Ravel]  
Our regulations have consistently required that staging organizations “use pre-established” and “objective criteria to avoid the real or apparent potential for a quid pro quo, and to ensure the integrity and fairness of the [debate] process.” This is a simple, bright-line rule.  
[/QUOTE]

So, while one could certainly argue either way, it’s not nearly the cut and dried stupid idea that you make it out to be.

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**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\
**Post date:** [July 2, 2016, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/4860 "2016-07-02T03:16:25Z")

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THe idea that the government could require the media to do something like that is outrageous, and again an assault on the first amendment.

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