# Stupid liberal idea of the day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 20, 2011, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086 "2011-04-20T15:35:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 255
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5081 "2016-07-23T04:36:13Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Because its original name was Hillarycare. Ahem. Nixoncare. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5082 "2016-07-23T04:43:00Z")
Stretching the outer limits of oxymoron. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 8:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5083 "2016-07-23T08:48:16Z")
> [@Punoqllads](#): > > Ahem. Nixoncare. Jesuscare. Top that! ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5084 "2016-07-23T10:56:46Z")
> [@Punoqllads](#): > > Ahem. Nixoncare. And before that, Trumancare. Before that, Teddycare. But originally Bismarckcare. So it was long overdue. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5085 "2016-07-23T11:43:32Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > And before that, Trumancare. Before that, Teddycare. But originally Bismarckcare. > > So it was long overdue. Noahcare. Started out as a family business. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5086 "2016-07-23T11:43:58Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > OK, I’ll bite; what is the far-left position on radical Islam? that using the term “is bad because ‘demonizes’ Islam,” the “daylight” between America and Israel would lower terrorism, all the stuff [this article lays out](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/07/21/the_dream_of_muslim_outreach_has_become_a_nightmare_131265.html). > [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I have it on good authority that the Democratic Party collectively cries its soft, feminine blue eyes out every night to have lost a leading intellectual light such as yourself, and is ready to move mountains to sway you back to their side. You and your vote are that important, Derek, and don’t you ever for one moment think otherwise. Even for your dickery to me, Democrat party registration has dropped a decent amount since Obama took office; he beat his opponent for re-election by a smaller than his first election, a first since Woodrow Wilson. The Democrats’ Jewish margin went from +57% down to +39%, and Jewish voters are concentrated in swing states and since they’re largely successful capitalist winners, so went a lot of campaign contributions. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5087 "2016-07-23T12:12:52Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > Even for your dickery to me, Democrat party registration has dropped a decent amount since Obama took office; he beat his opponent for re-election by a smaller than his first election, a first since Woodrow Wilson. The Democrats’ Jewish margin went from +57% down to +39%, and Jewish voters are concentrated in swing states and since they’re largely successful capitalist winners, so went a lot of campaign contributions. Obama went from landslide to big win… hardly a negative accomplishment. It would have been almost impossible to do better than '08 – which states could he have won? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5088 "2016-07-23T12:18:33Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > that using the term “is bad because ‘demonizes’ Islam,” the “daylight” between America and Israel would lower terrorism, all the stuff [this article lays out](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/07/21/the_dream_of_muslim_outreach_has_become_a_nightmare_131265.html). So you don’t have any thoughts of your own on what the “far left” thinks about radical Islam? Other than a semantic gotcha? C’mon, throw us a bone here; I want to debate you, not some columnist I don’t know. What does the real \*\*DerekMichaels00 \*\*think about this? ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5089 "2016-07-23T14:18:31Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Noahcare. Started out as a family business. Turtlecare. All the way down. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5090 "2016-07-23T14:21:20Z")
> [@Nars\_Glinley](#): > > Turtlecare. All the way down. That was just a shell corporation for Big Bang Clinics, Inc. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5091 "2016-07-23T14:58:16Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > …Jewish voters are concentrated in swing states and since they’re largely successful capitalist winners… Uh, what? They are? Oh. Well, OK then. Settles that. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5092 "2016-07-23T16:34:30Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Obama went from landslide to big win… hardly a negative accomplishment. It would have been almost impossible to do better than '08 – which states could he have won? It irritated me that he and the DNC didn’t try harder to hold NC, IN, and MO in '12 too. Even if they weren’t needed, it might get them more habituated to voting Democratic. Tilting the needle to the blue side, if only barely, in FL and VA does sort of make up for that, but Dean’s 50-state approach needs to be more widely embraced. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5093 "2016-07-23T16:49:09Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Obama went from landslide to big win… hardly a negative accomplishment. It would have been almost impossible to do better than '08 – which states could he have won? Obama won by less than 7.8 in 2008; Bill won by 8.5 in 1996, Reagan by 18% in 1984, etc. 2008 was decisive, but not a landslide. And Clinton, Reagan, Nixon all won by more their second time than their first time. As did Ike, FDR too. In the first place, in 2008, Hillary had a shot of winning the blue wall states (something that Bill Clinton built, and all Obama did was piggyback off) plus states Bill won that Obama got smoked in, like WV, LA, KY, TN AR, as well as standard swing states like NV, FL, OH, formerly MO as well. Now, WV, LA, AR, TN, and KY are out of reach for the Dems both because of Trump but also because of Obama’s divisiveness when talking about race, tho yea maybe Obama suffered in those states because of racism itself. Yea Hillary '08 might not have won that electoral vote in NE, but who cares. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5094 "2016-07-23T17:41:40Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > Obama won by less than 7.8 in 2008; Bill won by 8.5 in 1996, Reagan by 18% in 1984, etc. 2008 was decisive, but not a landslide. And Clinton, Reagan, Nixon all won by more their second time than their first time. As did Ike, FDR too. > > In the first place, in 2008, Hillary had a shot of winning the blue wall states (something that Bill Clinton built, and all Obama did was piggyback off) plus states Bill won that Obama got smoked in, like WV, LA, KY, TN AR, as well as standard swing states like NV, FL, OH, formerly MO as well. Now, WV, LA, AR, TN, and KY are out of reach for the Dems both because of Trump but also because of Obama’s divisiveness when talking about race, tho yea maybe Obama suffered in those states because of racism itself. Yea Hillary '08 might not have won that electoral vote in NE, but who cares. “Divisiveness” = he’s black. Yes, some people (e.g. bigots) find the idea of a black President divisive… that doesn’t mean it’s legitimate. You can always find ways to diminish Obama if you want, but that’s a reflection of you and your bigotry, not of him. Pretty much everything you’ve criticized him for has been based on bullshit or innuendo or his ancestry, not fact. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5095 "2016-07-23T19:53:51Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > because of Obama’s divisiveness when talking about race, God you people are evil. We have a problem with race in this country. Just look at how the white supremacists are openly supporting Trump and not one word of repudiation. Yet you people blame a black president for ‘dividing’ the country because he’s black and somehow that might be important in a nation with a lot of racism. What would NOT have been “divisive”? If the word “black” had not once passed his lips during his entire presidency, I’m quite sure you “stop Obama at all costs!” assholes would STILL claim he is divisive just because he’s black and a Democrat. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5096 "2016-07-23T20:24:16Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > That form is practiced here in Minnesota! > > “What do we want” > “Justice!” > "When do we want it? > “Well, pretty soon, if its not a lot of trouble!” > > A pity those crazy radicals calling themselves “The Sons of Liberty” didn’t hear about this. _God Save the Queen_ is a much better tune than the _Star Spangled Banner._ Of course, _My Country 'Tis of Thee_ is a much, much better tune than _God Save the Queen_, even as good a musician as John J. Lydon is. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5097 "2016-07-23T20:53:18Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > God you people are evil. We have a problem with race in this country. Just look at how the white supremacists are openly supporting Trump and not one word of repudiation. Yet you people blame a black president for ‘dividing’ the country because he’s black and somehow that might be important in a nation with a lot of racism. What would NOT have been “divisive”? If the word “black” had not once passed his lips during his entire presidency, I’m quite sure you “stop Obama at all costs!” assholes would STILL claim he is divisive just because he’s black and a Democrat. I understand the temptation for a guy like Obama to speak from the black man’s perspective; but as President of the US, he is supposed to represent the whole country, white, black, and the others. This country is still majority white. Also, he has a duty to wait for the facts to be in, not saying “if I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon.” Nor should he have commented on Henry Louis Gates until facts were known. Nor should his AG called America a “nation of cowards.” ---
**Author:** ![Icerigger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icerigger/32/432_2.png) [@Icerigger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icerigger)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5098 "2016-07-23T20:58:20Z")
I would like to know the difference between sharia law and biblical law the Republican base cares so much about. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5099 "2016-07-23T21:00:57Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > I understand the temptation for a guy like Obama to speak from the black man’s perspective; but as President of the US, he is supposed to represent the whole country, white, black, and the others. And he’s said nothing that contradicts this. > [@](#): > > This country is still majority white. What does this have to do with anything? He’s never said anything anti-white in his entire time in office. > [@](#): > > Also, he has a duty to wait for the facts to be in, not saying “if I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon.” What does “if I had a son…” have to do with not waiting for facts to be in? There’s no connection except in your ignorant and bigoted anti-Obama fantasies. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5100 "2016-07-23T21:33:01Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > Nor should his AG called America a “nation of cowards.” Context of your Holder quote: > [@](#): > > Though this nation has proudly thought of itself as an ethnic melting pot, in things racial we have always been and continue to be, in too many ways, essentially a nation of cowards. Though race related issues continue to occupy a significant portion of our political discussion, and though there remain many unresolved racial issues in this nation, we, average Americans, simply do not talk enough with each other about race. It is an issue we have never been at ease with and given our nation’s history this is in some ways understandable. And yet, if we are to make progress in this area we must feel comfortable enough with one another, and tolerant enough of each other, to have frank conversations about the racial matters that continue to divide us. I shouldn’t be surprised. You specialize in misleading and bullshit innuendo. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=254) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=256)