# Stupid liberal idea of the day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 20, 2011, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086 "2011-04-20T15:35:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 259
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2016, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5161 "2016-07-28T21:46:30Z")
new one, given the transvestite who just spoke at the Dem convention: that a person with a y-chromosome can just “come out” as a female, and that trans is a new civil rights movement. When does this shit end? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2016, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5162 "2016-07-28T22:22:45Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > new one, given the transvestite who just spoke at the Dem convention: that a person with a y-chromosome can just “come out” as a female, and that trans is a new civil rights movement. When does this shit end? He was wearing a man’s suit. Get it right, dumbfuck. The shit starts when you talk. It ends when you shut up. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2016, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5163 "2016-07-28T22:45:00Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > I never argued that its something people shouldn’t have freedom to do, but I’m very soured on Islam. So whatever you’re “soured on” is un-American? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2016, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5164 "2016-07-28T22:56:39Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > new one, given the transvestite who just spoke at the Dem convention: that a person with a y-chromosome can just “come out” as a female, and that trans is a new civil rights movement. When does this shit end? It ends when you stop being such a hateful bigot. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2016, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5165 "2016-07-28T23:31:40Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It ends when you stop being such a hateful bigot. right, until there’s no stability and order left in society. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2016, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5166 "2016-07-28T23:36:19Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > right, until there’s no stability and order left in society. You know how you feel when women reject you because you’re a stub of a man? That’s being on the receiving end of bigotry. Doesn’t feel very good, does it? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5167 "2016-07-29T00:12:59Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > [reparations.me](http://reparations.me) is a web page where people can hook up to do things for each other. It isn’t about reparations. But once again, you obviously haven’t bothered to look at the page. You’re right. Mea culpa. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5168 "2016-07-29T00:45:08Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > right, until there’s no stability and order left in society. So nothing I said made a dent in your anger. All you are is your hate and anger, Derek. If that’s what you choose to be and how you want to live your life, it is your choice. But, you know, And one of the scribes came up and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, asked him, “Which commandment is the most important of all?” Jesus answered, “The most important is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ The second is this: ‘ **You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”** And even in Leviticus, which some Christians site against gays; “You shall not hate your brother in your heart, but you shall reason frankly with your neighbor, lest you incur sin because of him. You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the sons of your own people, **but you shall love your neighbor as yourself** : I am the Lord. So whether you are Christian or Jewish, in your fanatical support of Israel, both God and Jesus very directly tell you to love your neighbor as yourself. Try actually doing that. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5169 "2016-07-29T00:47:58Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > You know how you feel when women reject you because you’re a stub of a man? > That’s being on the receiving end of bigotry. God, fate, luck, whoever beyond man’s control, made short men. He also made “cis” men and females. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5170 "2016-07-29T00:53:10Z")
Does Tuesday make you feel inexplicable rage, too? Because Tuesday has MORE effect on your life than transgender people. Unless you’re scared to death of accidentally chatting up a TG person. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5171 "2016-07-29T01:16:24Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > God, fate, luck, whoever beyond man’s control, made short men. He also made “cis” men and females. He also made gay and transgender men and women. Most of them taller than you. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5172 "2016-07-29T01:47:26Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > He also made gay and transgender men and women. Most of them taller than you. he made gay men because its not something they went to a plastic surgeon to do (hence why I look at the biological aspect, ie what sex makes their sex organ move to). Ditto with height and race. Not with gender-switchers. Also, what the FUCK is “gender ‘fluid’?” PLEASE. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5173 "2016-07-29T01:55:22Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > he made gay men because its not something they went to a plastic surgeon to do (hence why I look at the biological aspect, ie what sex makes their sex organ move to). Ditto with height and race. Not with gender-switchers. > Also, what the FUCK is “gender ‘fluid’?” PLEASE. Why do you make assertions about things you don’t understand? Why be such a vile, hateful bigot? Wouldn’t you rather be open-minded and accept people based on how they treat others, not on what’s in their pants or their DNA? ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5174 "2016-07-29T01:56:58Z")
So you must hate those babies born with cleft palettes that go to plastic surgeons to fix the mistake nature or God made. TG people are who they are long before they consider surgery. And many, many don’t get surgery. Those TG people ok, then? ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5175 "2016-07-29T03:54:22Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > So you must hate those babies born with cleft palettes that go to plastic surgeons to fix the mistake nature or God made. TG people are who they are long before they consider surgery. And many, many don’t get surgery. Those TG people ok, then? yea but having a cleft lip impairs daily life. Being a male or female, in and of itself, doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5176 "2016-07-29T03:57:04Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > yea but having a cleft lip impairs daily life. Being a male or female, in and of itself, doesn’t. For trans people it can. Imagine if you woke up tomorrow in a woman’s body. Would you feel like something is wrong? Would you maybe consider a procedure if it could give you a male body, including a male’s physical strength, hair, genitals, etc.? ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5177 "2016-07-29T04:08:57Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > For trans people it can. Imagine if you woke up tomorrow in a woman’s body. Would you feel like something is wrong? Would you maybe consider a procedure if it could give you a male body, including a male’s physical strength, hair, genitals, etc.? can you then please explain the difference between that and a so-called “twink,” or really effeminate male? I’ll tell you; I understand the idealism of some. But I once met an activist who rallied against “rape culture,” but when I asked her what “rape culture” was, she could not explain. Many people find themselves in the same spot on “transgender” vs. gay. I get that making gender “fake” makes being gay easier, in theory. But that doesn’t mean forcing it on the mainstream. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5178 "2016-07-29T04:16:05Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > can you then please explain the difference between that and a so-called “twink,” or really effeminate male? Trans says nothing about sexual orientation. We’ve told you this many times before, but you keep forgetting, somehow. There are trans men who are attracted to men, and trans men who are attracted to women. Trans people are not comfortable in the gender of the body they are born with. And you didn’t answer the question. If you woke up tomorrow in the body of a woman, would consider a procedure to give you a male body, complete with strength, hair, and genitalia, or not? > [@](#): > > I’ll tell you; I understand the idealism of some. But I once met an activist who rallied against “rape culture,” but when I asked her what “rape culture” was, she could not explain. Many people find themselves in the same spot on “transgender” vs. gay. > > I get that making gender “fake” makes being gay easier, in theory. But that doesn’t mean forcing it on the mainstream. It’s not forcing it on anyone. You are not forced to date trans people, or marry trans people, or have trans friends, or whatever. But don’t expect not to be called an asshole and a bigot when you say the vile and hateful things that you’ve said about trans people. There were tons of people who just didn’t understand homosexuality for years. Have you considered that maybe you’re just a little behind, just like they were? Do you want to look back at yourself, years from now, and see a bigot, or do you want to see someone who was welcoming and kind and respectful to people that may be different from you in some way, but aren’t harming anyone at all? ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5179 "2016-07-29T04:33:16Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > yea but having a cleft lip impairs daily life. Being a male or female, in and of itself, doesn’t. You get to judge how much suffering is ok to endure? How nice to be omniscient. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5180 "2016-07-29T04:44:20Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > yea but having a cleft lip impairs daily life. Being a male or female, in and of itself, doesn’t. Ifyou woke up tomorrow in a woman’s body, that wouldn’t “impair your daily life?” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=258) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=260)