# Stupid liberal idea of the day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 20, 2011, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086 "2011-04-20T15:35:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2012, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/501 "2012-01-03T14:20:31Z")
Sorry if I’m butting in. I enjoy a similarly named thread, mostly about stupid Republican ideas with left-wingers competing to post the wittiest reply. This thread seems in many ways similar, though the sets of “stupid” Republicans and “witty” leftists differ. While Republican heroes like Gingrich, Rove and Beck expouse stupid ideas deliberately (selling books or campaigns) and would be happy to be leftist slime-ball liars if it paid better, some Republicans remind one of _Sixth Sense_ wherein the Bruce Willis character … didn’t know his idea was stupid. [irrelevantly: the following is “Sorry if I’m butting in” as reproduced by a typist who didn’t notice Keyboard was set to Thai mode.: ฆนพพั รด ณงท ิีะะรืเ รื] ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2012, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/502 "2012-01-03T15:06:10Z")
Quote: Originally Posted by Lobohan We don’t save money on social services. Most illegal immigrants pay taxes. [Many Illegal immigrants pay taxes they'll likely never see again](http://www.kndo.com/story/16421222/i...ever-see-again) Curlcoat: Which does zero for the state of California. Actually, if you thought about it for a millisecond, they’d be paying a lot of local taxes, wouldn’t they? Or did you think they go out of state to buy their groceries and gas? Then again, if you thought about it for a minute, you wouldn’t be you. California’s problems are a lot more complex than “more people than the state can support”… ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2012, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/503 "2012-01-03T15:29:57Z")
Give it up guys. You’re dealing with the Curlinator. It can’t be bargained with. It can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until this thread is dead. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2012, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/504 "2012-01-03T15:38:43Z")
You are right, of course. It just seems wrong to let some of those statements stand. But some ignorance cannot be fought… ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2012, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/505 "2012-01-03T16:42:11Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > :rolleyes: > > I have even less time for this kind of stupidity since I won’t be able to use one of my fingers for at least the next ten days. If you actually care to learn something, Google is your friend - start with “governor moonbeam”. Then you can come back and apologize. Or continue to be a bitch, I don’t really care. Since I hadn’t heard of the phrase you mentioned, I did as you asked and read the[first link](http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/07/weekinreview/07mckinley.html) that came up. > [@](#): > > For the uninitiated, ‘Governor Moonbeam’ became Mr. Brown’s intractable sobriquet, dating back to his days as governor between 1975 and 1983, when his state led the nation in pretty much everything — its economy, environmental awareness and, yes, class-A eccentrics. > > The nickname was coined by Mike Royko, the famed Chicago columnist, who in 1976 said that Mr. Brown appeared to be attracting “the moonbeam vote,” which in Chicago political parlance meant young, idealistic and nontraditional. Doesn’t sound so like that bad of an endorsement. While we have this from the person who coined the phrase > [@](#): > > And so it was with Mr. Royko, who after many vicious gibes at Mr. Brown’s expense offered an outright apology to the governor, and spent years trying to erase the moniker. > > In a 1991 column in The Chicago Tribune, he called the label, an “idiotic, damn-fool, meaningless, throw-away line,” and pleaded with people to stop using it. > > “Enough of this ‘Moonbeam’ stuff,” Mr. Royko concluded. “I declare it null, void and deceased.” and in 1980 > [@](#): > > “I have to admit I gave him that unhappy label,” Mr. Royko wrote. “Because the more I see of Brown, the more I am convinced that he has been the only Democrat in this year’s politics who understands what this country will be up against.” It’s amazing how the simple research you recommend can show the exact opposite of the point you are trying to make. Maybe you should try it yourself first before posting. It could save everyone some time and you might learn something (although probably not). ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2012, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/506 "2012-01-03T16:51:53Z")
When Brown was governor his state had the strongest economy in the nation? What a stupid liberal idea! ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2012, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/507 "2012-01-03T17:33:11Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > While Republican heroes like Gingrich, Rove and Beck expouse stupid ideas deliberately (selling books or campaigns) and would be happy to be leftist slime-ball liars if it paid better, some Republicans remind one of _Sixth Sense_ wherein the Bruce Willis character … didn’t know his idea was stupid. On reread, my post has to be a candidate for Funniest One-liner Joke of the Day, yet didn’t get single ‘attaboy.’ ☹ :mad: ---
**Author:** ![rogerbox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/76d3ee/32.png) [@rogerbox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rogerbox)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2012, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/508 "2012-01-03T18:20:33Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Not that any of that has anything to do with the severe problems this state has with illegals. But yes, you bleeding hearts see nothing wrong with wishing evil onto people who would just like people to come in legally instead of sneaking in lacking vaccinations, education, insurance, jobs, etc etc. > > Amusing tho that you wish disaster on me simply because I wish others would quit breaking the law. :dubious: Wait so when I wish it happens to YOU it’s evil, but when you wish it happened to so-called “Anchor babies” (Who are American whether you like it or not) it’s not, is that what you’re saying? ---
**Author:** ![mister\_nyx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@mister\_nyx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mister_nyx)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2012, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/509 "2012-01-03T19:24:10Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > You should just give up - you are either going for sarcasm and it’s falling flat, or you are completely without a clue. You’re being awfully cagey about what’s ultimately a pretty simple question. Am I right, or are you earning money? ---
**Author:** ![rogerbox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/76d3ee/32.png) [@rogerbox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rogerbox)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2012, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/510 "2012-01-03T19:48:34Z")
She has said in another thread that she stopped working because it wasn’t worth it to work because of taxation, which is probably why she doesn’t want to answer your question. Once people pointed out that that was literally impossible for it to not impact the finances of a couple if one partner stopped working, she weasled out of it by claiming she didn’t pay attention to their finances, but she didn’t feel a drop off in the quality of life. It’s a bizarre world (she lives in). ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2012, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/511 "2012-01-03T20:12:20Z")
> [@rogerbox](#): > > She has said in another thread that she stopped working because it wasn’t worth it to work because of taxation, which is probably why she doesn’t want to answer your question. And is also really weird because she’s on disability. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2012, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/512 "2012-01-03T20:38:43Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > And is also really weird because she’s on disability. Which she feels she “earned”, as opposed to those other freeloading people sponging off government programs. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2012, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/513 "2012-01-03T20:42:56Z")
Well, presuming she’s on SSDI, she earned it as much as anyone did. The problem isn’t that she thinks she earned hers, it’s that she thinks no one else earned theirs. She’s a dumbass with delusions of adequacy. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2012, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/514 "2012-01-03T20:47:24Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > On reread, my post has to be a candidate for Funniest One-liner Joke of the Day, yet didn’t get single ‘attaboy.’ ☹ :mad: Maybe next time, finish with a slide whistle, whoopie cushion noise, something like that? ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2012, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/515 "2012-01-03T22:42:47Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > On reread, my post has to be a candidate for Funniest One-liner Joke of the Day, yet didn’t get single ‘attaboy.’ ☹ :mad: > [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Maybe next time, finish with a slide whistle, whoopie cushion noise, something like that? Yep. If you’re going to cast pearls before swine, slop 'em up for us a bit, please. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2012, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/516 "2012-01-04T01:03:07Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > On reread, my post has to be a candidate for Funniest One-liner Joke of the Day, yet didn’t get single ‘attaboy.’ ☹ :mad: There’s just so much to marvel at in your decision to openly express your anger and dismay that your remark went unrecognized, I can’t decide whether to be repelled or awestruck. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2012, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/517 "2012-01-04T02:52:47Z")
Apparently you guys don’t have much to do during the day. Kind of interesting how many think they are qualified to argue something they know little about, going on in a place they don’t live. > [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > Quote: > Originally Posted by Lobohan > We don’t save money on social services. Most illegal immigrants pay taxes. [Many Illegal immigrants pay taxes they'll likely never see again](http://www.kndo.com/story/16421222/i...ever-see-again) > > Curlcoat: Which does zero for the state of California. > > Actually, if you thought about it for a millisecond, they’d be paying a lot of local taxes, wouldn’t they? Or did you think they go out of state to buy their groceries and gas? > Then again, if you thought about it for a minute, you wouldn’t be you. California’s problems are a lot more complex than “more people than the state can support”… Yes, the state’s problems are very complex, but a good deal of them boil down to liberals creating all kinds of handouts and now we don’t have enough people left who can pay the kind of taxes to support those programs. If you thought about it for a millisecond, you’d realize that a goodly number of our illegals don’t have much in the way of money, so even when they do buy groceries and gas they don’t buy as much as someone with a middle class life, and so don’t pay that much in sales tax. They aren’t buying things like new cars, appliances or houses. Many if not most (studies vary widely, I imagine due to how hard it is to pin down illegals) pay no income tax, payroll taxes nor towards any health or auto insurance. If nothing else, logic dictates that someone whose job is to stand in front of Lowes and hope to get work isn’t paying much in the way of taxes. > [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > It’s amazing how the simple research you recommend can show the exact opposite of the point you are trying to make. Maybe you should try it yourself first before posting. It could save everyone some time and you might learn something (although probably not). You would learn more about the subject if you researched why the nickname caught on and stuck with the population, rather than just looking at the narrow time frame of when and how it came to be. > [@Gyrate](#): > > When Brown was governor his state had the strongest economy in the nation? What a stupid liberal idea! Yes, he was left a strong economy. > [@rogerbox](#): > > Wait so when I wish it happens to YOU it’s evil, but when you wish it happened to so-called “Anchor babies” (Who are American whether you like it or not) it’s not, is that what you’re saying? I have a different opinion than you do; they are breaking federal law and most likely going to run my state into bankruptcy. See the difference? Also, I am not wishing evil on anyone, all I said was I wish the law allowing anchor babies to exist was changed, whereas you actively wished me disaster simply because I don’t think that illegally staggering across the Rio Grande nine months pregnant should mean that your kid gets all the same rights as those born to legal residents. > [@mister\_nyx](#): > > You’re being awfully cagey about what’s ultimately a pretty simple question. Am I right, or are you earning money? I don’t remember now what you wanted to be right about, but at this point in time I am not technically earning money myself as I am on permanent disability. Which I pay taxes on. Also, not being cagy at all - you’ve made a bunch of incorrect assumptions based on god knows what, and I told you that you were wrong. Typing is difficult for me right now, so I wasn’t interested in playing a guessing game with you. > [@rogerbox](#): > > She has said in another thread that she stopped working because it wasn’t worth it to work because of taxation, which is probably why she doesn’t want to answer your question. I’d be interested in knowing where you think you saw that. > [@DianaG](#): > > Well, presuming she’s on SSDI, she earned it as much as anyone did. The problem isn’t that she thinks she earned hers, it’s that she thinks no one else earned theirs. She’s a dumbass with delusions of adequacy. So, what have the illegals earned? Why is it that you think it’s OK for them to walk over the border with absolutely nothing to offer but we should pay for their food, health care, any car accidents they get in? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2012, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/518 "2012-01-04T02:56:07Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Apparently you guys don’t have much to do during the day. Kind of interesting how many think they are qualified to argue something they know little about, going on in a place they don’t live. When you’re a simpleton engaging in hand-waiving and hissing like a cat, you ought not to throw stones. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2012, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/519 "2012-01-04T03:29:41Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > So, what have the illegals earned? Why is it that you think it’s OK for them to walk over the border with absolutely nothing to offer but we should pay for their food, health care, any car accidents they get in? Obviously they have something to offer, or people wouldn’t hire them. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2012, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/520 "2012-01-04T03:32:54Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > So, what have the illegals earned? Why is it that you think it’s OK for them to walk over the border with absolutely nothing to offer but we should pay for their food, health care, any car accidents they get in? Erm… what the fuck do illegal immigrants have to do with you being a dumbass with delusions of adequacy? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=25) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=27)