# Stupid liberal idea of the day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 20, 2011, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086 "2011-04-20T15:35:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 282
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2016, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5621 "2016-12-10T04:58:41Z")
Well, there’d be no stupid conservative ideas either if someone just went on every day and said, “This is nothing. This is nothing. This is nothing.” How’d that work out for you guys as the response to every Clinton scandal? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2016, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5622 "2016-12-10T05:01:01Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Well, there’d be no stupid conservative ideas either if someone just went on every day and said, “This is nothing. This is nothing. This is nothing.” How’d that work out for you guys as the response to every Clinton scandal? “There would be no stupid conservative ideas if…” That’s good. Trademark that. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2016, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5623 "2016-12-10T05:08:47Z")
Snark was so successful as well. Oh well, don’t change, no skin off my back. Anyway, I wonder why the governmnet powers that already exist to combat propaganda are insuffiicent. Is this new threat the greatest we’ve ever faced, greater than Al Qaeda propganda, Soviet propaganda, or Nazi propaganda? What new powers precisely do Democrats think the government need that it doesn’t have? You don’t have to be a genius to figure it out. Having Clinton go out there and say “lives are at stake” is not a statement designed to build support for moderate, reasonable legislation. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2016, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5624 "2016-12-10T05:18:28Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > … What new powers precisely do Democrats think the government need that it doesn’t have? > > … I don’t know. You’re the one that brought it up. You tell me. I’m only here to judge its relative stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2016, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5625 "2016-12-10T05:59:49Z")
Far be it from me to add facts to this discussion, but Clinton is referring to the [Countering Foreign Propaganda and Disinformation Act](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countering_Foreign_Propaganda_and_Disinformation_Act). It passed the US Senate by a vote of 92-7. Either there are only 7 conservatives in the US Senate or this is not a liberal idea. If you want to read the text of the bill, a pdf of the House bill’s text is available from the link. I read it; it mostly sets up an interagency committee to collect, analyze, and debunk propaganda by foreign governments. It spends $20M over the next two years and will expire in ten years. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2016, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5626 "2016-12-10T10:08:21Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Bipartisan legislation to address fake news? C’mon now, don’t be dense. Fake news is not the press. There is no first amendment right to incite violence. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2016, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5627 "2016-12-10T11:39:24Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Fake news is not the press. There is no first amendment right to incite violence. More importantly, libel isn’t protected the First Amendment either! (And due to a little thing called _Times v Sullivan_ someone like Hillary Clinton has an extra hurdle to jump when suing someone who accuses her of being a child molesting cannibal. :dubious: (And finding out just who _TrumpLover17_ is, so they can be sued, requires certain websites to do things that are guaranteed to cause a “huge” shitstorm.)) CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2016, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5628 "2016-12-10T16:07:06Z")
> [@Punoqllads](#): > > Far be it from me to add facts to this discussion, but Clinton is referring to the [Countering Foreign Propaganda and Disinformation Act](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countering_Foreign_Propaganda_and_Disinformation_Act). It passed the US Senate by a vote of 92-7. Either there are only 7 conservatives in the US Senate or this is not a liberal idea. > > If you want to read the text of the bill, a pdf of the House bill’s text is available from the link. I read it; it mostly sets up an interagency committee to collect, analyze, and debunk propaganda by foreign governments. It spends $20M over the next two years and will expire in ten years. You mean to suggest that the government has options for responding to foreign propaganda that don’t involve violating anyone’s rights? That’s crazy talk. Next you’re going to try to tell me that the First Amendment doesn’t protect foreign governments’ propaganda operations. And after that I suppose you’ll try to convince me that private companies like Facebook aren’t obligated to provide a platform for fake news and propaganda. Stupid liberal! ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2016, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5629 "2016-12-10T16:27:47Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Please give me two examples of the ‘misery’ Liberals cause others. > [@Chimera](#): > > Still waiting. And still waiting, Clothy. Man up already. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2016, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5630 "2016-12-10T17:35:21Z")
Never happen. One too many bare-foot kicks to the head means that he couldn’t find his way back to this thread with a relevant fact/anecdote with a team of Sherpas and pack mules. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2016, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5631 "2016-12-10T17:39:55Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Never happen. One too many bare-foot kicks to the head means that he couldn’t find his way back to this thread with a relevant fact/anecdote with a **team of Sherpas** and pack mules. Outsourcing American jobs. Sad! ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2016, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5632 "2016-12-11T21:23:55Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Tell me about it. Poor Clothahump, having to hear about what a bigoted, disgusting homophobe he is after saying gay people are an abomination. How _awful_ his lot in life must be, that he must be called to the mat for saying bigoted and homophobic things. Please quote me chapter and verse where I have ever said gay people are an abomination. Can’t do it? Figures. Fuck off. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2016, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5633 "2016-12-11T21:32:31Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Please give me two examples of the ‘misery’ Liberals cause others. Every moronic, feel-good law ever passed by liberals in political office. You want two specifics? Obamacare is a great one to start with; the massive stupidity involved in passing that piece of crap is causing everyone to suffer massive increases in health insurance premiums. And what the heck, let’s take minimum wage laws as another. First showed up under FDR and since their inception has caused prices to go up and employment to go down every time they are raised. And just in general, talking with liberals is painful because of their massive disconnect with reality. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2016, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5634 "2016-12-11T21:34:11Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Please quote me chapter and verse where I have ever said gay people are an abomination. > > Can’t do it? Figures. Fuck off. From this thread. > [@](#): > > Quote: > The city of Cincinnati and its various boards and commissions may not enact, adopt, enforce or administer any ordinance, regulation, rule or policy which provides that homosexual, lesbian, or bisexual orientation, status, conduct, or relationship constitutes, entitles, or otherwise provides a person with the basis to have any claim of minority or protected status, quota preference or other preferential treatment. This provision of the city charter shall in all respects be self-executing. Any ordinance, regulation, rule or policy enacted before this amendment is adopted that violates the foregoing prohibition shall be null and void and of no force or effect. > [@Damn it! (yet another gay marriage rant)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/damn-it-yet-another-gay-marriage-rant/269950/32): > > I guess someone needs to ask this question, and it might as well be me. > > Leaving all references to religion out (as it should be), why is this provision such a bad thing? Why should anyone receive special treatment or favoritism or preferential treatment simply because they choose to engage in deviant sexual practices? ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2016, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5635 "2016-12-11T21:35:27Z")
And one would think after 7.9 years of fuckups, Obama would be keeping his head down and his mouth shut these last few days. But no, he just had to hock one more loogey on us by saying that employers requiring their employees to speak English on the job is discriminatory. You just can’t make this kind of stupid shit up. > **[Crackdown On Language Discrimination](https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/obama-administration-to-crack-down-on-english-only-discrimination?utm_source=CT&utm_medium=CT&utm_campaign=CT)** > > New Obama Rule: Speaking English Is Now "Discriminatory" Because... ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2016, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5636 "2016-12-11T21:37:32Z")
> [@](#): > > …And just in general, talking with liberals is painful because of their massive disconnect with reality. You want the real stuff, gotta go with the radical lefties. Tell liberals the whole truth, they will only believe half of it, don’t want to upset their balance. The tighty rightys have to put up with the Trumpiviks and the Tea Party, we got to suffer the liberals. That seems fair. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2016, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5637 "2016-12-11T21:39:03Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Every moronic, feel-good law ever passed by liberals in political office. You want two specifics? Obamacare is a great one to start with; the massive stupidity involved in passing that piece of crap is causing everyone to suffer massive increases in health insurance premiums. > > And what the heck, let’s take minimum wage laws as another. First showed up under FDR and since their inception has caused prices to go up and employment to go down every time they are raised. > > And just in general, talking with liberals is painful because of their massive disconnect with reality. Cite that “everyone” had “massive increases” in premiums? You do realize that if a single person didn’t have one, that invalidates your incredibly broad statement, right? Also, cite that employment has gone down and prices up every single time the minimum wage increases? That’s every single time, you said. Every one. Or are you just using extreme hyperbole for rhetorical reasons? Or just because you really don’t know what you’re talking about? ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2016, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5638 "2016-12-11T22:02:29Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Every moronic, feel-good law ever passed by liberals in political office. You want two specifics? Obamacare is a great one to start with; the massive stupidity involved in passing that piece of crap is causing everyone to suffer massive increases in health insurance premiums. There was very little suffering. Most increases were subsidized, and the higher premiums were worth it because the policies are so much better - no lifetime caps, no pre-existing conditions, etc. You are a guy who was paying $200 a month for a Yugo, and is pissed off because he now has to pay $250 a month for a Mercedes. > [@](#): > > And what the heck, let’s take minimum wage laws as another. First showed up under FDR and since their inception has caused prices to go up and employment to go down every time they are raised. No, they haven’t. [https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-12-07/seattle-s-higher-minimum-wage-hasn-t-hurt-jobs-or-business](https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-12-07/seattle-s-higher-minimum-wage-hasn-t-hurt-jobs-or-business) ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2016, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5639 "2016-12-11T22:03:53Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Please quote me chapter and verse where I have ever said gay people are an abomination. > > Can’t do it? Figures. Fuck off. Whoops. Not in so many words. Just “Deviant”. And then there’s this: > [@A new slant on gay marriage?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-new-slant-on-gay-marriage/654820/1): > > A friend of mine hit me with this, which he heard from folks at his job. I didn’t think much of it until I started getting hit with it from folks at my job. So I thought I would pitch it out here and see if any of you guys are hearing it as well. > > The basic gist is that all of the current furor and hubbub about gay marriage and denial of rights, etc. is nothing more than a smokescreen. The underlying goal is to get the choice of a homosexual lifestyle to be accepted as normal in our society. > > Sounds kinda conspiracy theory, tinfoil hat brigade to me. But I’m hearing it from more and more people these days, folks that I don’t think of as wearing tinfoil hats. > > What say ye, fellow Dopers? And this: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16167366&postcount=2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16167366&postcount=2) (From a thread where you pitted someone for calling you out on the bullshit in that post I quoted above, no less!) But okay, you know what? Maybe I’m wrong about you. Do you think that homosexuality is deviant, wrong, or abnormal? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2016, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5640 "2016-12-11T22:28:42Z")
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