# Stupid liberal idea of the day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 20, 2011, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086 "2011-04-20T15:35:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 299
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2017, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5961 "2017-06-19T23:42:55Z")
Man, I hope I am on **Guanohump** ’s ignore list. If not, I shall have to try harder. If we all work on it, we could get to where he sees 12 posts total in this here thread. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2017, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5962 "2017-06-19T23:48:59Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > And with that batch of lies, you earn your own personal “fuck off” and a ticket to my ignore list. Oh the Brave Yosemite Sam, he needs his Safe Spaces! ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2017, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5963 "2017-06-20T04:52:41Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > You do realize that this doesn’t make you look cool or in control, right? It make you look like you’re trying to take your ball and run home, except you don’t have any balls to take. Reminds me of **brazil84**. Remember how many people thought that guy was cool? I’ll give you a hint: it wasn’t many. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2017, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5964 "2017-06-20T08:54:36Z")
That’s our **Clothahump** - ignores all substantive posts and then claims there weren’t any, spouts nothing but abuse and then claims liberals only spout abuse, posts content-free opinion pieces and pretends they demonstrate…something…, and then blocks anyone who calls him on his bullshit so that he doesn’t have to face the fact that he’s a hypocrite, liar and idiot. Bless his heart. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2017, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5965 "2017-06-20T13:44:05Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > You do realize that this doesn’t make you look cool or in control, right? It make you look like you’re trying to take your ball and run home, except you don’t have any balls to take. At my age, I suffer fools less gladly. I’m tired of having to put up with mouthbreathers who think that personal attacks are the only way to carry on a discussion. I’m not making any kind of effort to “look cool or in control”, I never have been. And as somebody said earlier, if all I see in a thread is 12 posts (or words to that effect), then fine - I’m seeing posts from people who know how to carry on a discussion. I’m not seeing posts from people who simply throw shit like the monkeys in the zoo. Now, since I do have a life, I’ll be gone for a week. Y’all can carry on with your regularly scheduled whining about me and how awful I am because I won’t put up with it. Or not. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2017, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5966 "2017-06-20T13:51:44Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > That’s our **Clothahump** - ignores all substantive posts and then claims there weren’t any, spouts nothing but abuse and then claims liberals only spout abuse, posts content-free opinion pieces and pretends they demonstrate…something…, and then blocks anyone who calls him on his bullshit so that he doesn’t have to face the fact that he’s a hypocrite, liar and idiot. > > Bless his heart. > [@Clothahump](#): > > At my age, I suffer fools less gladly. I’m tired of having to put up with mouthbreathers who think that personal attacks are the only way to carry on a discussion. I’m not making any kind of effort to “look cool or in control”, I never have been. > > And as somebody said earlier, if all I see in a thread is 12 posts (or words to that effect), then fine - I’m seeing posts from people who know how to carry on a discussion. I’m not seeing posts from people who simply throw shit like the monkeys in the zoo. > > Now, since I do have a life, I’ll be gone for a week. Y’all can carry on with your regularly scheduled whining about me and how awful I am because I won’t put up with it. Or not. It’s so nice to have one’s views validated so quickly and thoroughly. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2017, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5967 "2017-06-20T14:30:23Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > At my age, I suffer fools less gladly. I’m tired of having to put up with mouthbreathers who think that personal attacks are the only way to carry on a discussion. I’m not making any kind of effort to “look cool or in control”, I never have been. > > And as somebody said earlier, if all I see in a thread is 12 posts (or words to that effect), then fine - I’m seeing posts from people who know how to carry on a discussion. I’m not seeing posts from people who simply throw shit like the monkeys in the zoo. > > Now, since I do have a life, I’ll be gone for a week. Y’all can carry on with your regularly scheduled whining about me and how awful I am because I won’t put up with it. Or not. If is funny how Yosemite Sam is so stupid he thinks the open mockery and the laughing at his neanderthal stupidity is whining about him… ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2017, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5968 "2017-06-20T14:36:44Z")
To him, scorn from the libtards is actually evidence that he’s _right_. He comes here for validation, absurd as it may seem. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2017, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5969 "2017-06-20T15:55:42Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > To him, scorn from the libtards is actually evidence that he’s _right_. He comes here for validation, absurd as it may seem. And posting bullshit that he can’t get away with in real life. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2017, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5970 "2017-06-20T16:05:21Z")
I’m starting to wonder who ISN’T on Clothy’s ignore list – if he keeps going like he is, he’s not going to have anyone left to talk to here. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2017, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5971 "2017-06-20T16:08:13Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > I’m starting to wonder who ISN’T on Clothy’s ignore list – if he keeps going like he is, he’s not going to have anyone left to talk to here. At least two: **Ditka** and **Okra**. He’ll end up with a trumpeteer circle jerk. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2017, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5972 "2017-06-20T16:10:51Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > At least two: **Ditka** and **Okra**. He’ll end up with a trumpeteer circle jerk. Remember: tiny hands make one’s dick look bigger. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2017, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5973 "2017-06-20T16:42:59Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > And as somebody said earlier, if all I see in a thread is 12 posts (or words to that effect), then fine - I’m seeing posts from people who know how to carry on a discussion. I’m not seeing posts from people who simply throw shit like the monkeys in the zoo. > . You keep suggesting that the issues are important to you, and that you actually want to carry on a discussion. And yet, over 50 posts (#5915) and almost 60 hours ago, i provided a relatively lengthy response to your assertion about New York State literacy tests for teachers. In that post, i made arguments based on two separate sources, both of which contained more information than the opinion piece that you used. In the two and a half days since that post, you have made nine separate contributions to this thread, and not one of them has addressed that post, or any of the substantive arguments contained therein. I think this tells us pretty much all we need to know about your priorities. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2017, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5974 "2017-06-20T17:06:59Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > You keep suggesting that the issues are important to you, and that you actually want to carry on a discussion. > > And yet, over 50 posts (#5915) and almost 60 hours ago, i provided a relatively lengthy response to your assertion about New York State literacy tests for teachers. In that post, i made arguments based on two separate sources, both of which contained more information than the opinion piece that you used. > > In the two and a half days since that post, you have made nine separate contributions to this thread, and not one of them has addressed that post, or any of the substantive arguments contained therein. > > I think this tells us pretty much all we need to know about your priorities. That’s my fault. I made him mad, and he has to take a week off to recuperate from the dirty librul being SO MEAN! ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2017, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5975 "2017-06-20T17:53:43Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > You keep suggesting that the issues are important to you, and that you actually want to carry on a discussion. > > And yet, over 50 posts (#5915) and almost 60 hours ago, i provided a relatively lengthy response to your assertion about New York State literacy tests for teachers. In that post, i made arguments based on two separate sources, both of which contained more information than the opinion piece that you used. > > In the two and a half days since that post, you have made nine separate contributions to this thread, and not one of them has addressed that post, or any of the substantive arguments contained therein. > \*\* > I think this tells us pretty much all we need to know about your priorities.\*\* Or who’s on his [del]ignore[/del] bubble-building list. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2017, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5976 "2017-06-20T19:21:18Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Or who’s on his [del]ignore[/del] bubble-building list. It never occurred to me that i might be on his ignore list, because he seems to like to announce his personal bannings, and he’s never indicated to me that i have been so honored. You might be right, though. ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2017, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5977 "2017-06-20T19:24:02Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > He shoots! > > He misses! > > Again! > > Unsurprisingly, our village idiot has, for the umpteenth time, relied on a poorly-researched second-hand source that fails to provide a complete picture of the issue. He has linked to an opinion piece by someone whose research and analytical skills are, apparently, not much better than his. > > [Here is the original Associated Press article with a much more complete picture.](https://apnews.com/d58b761ef393408e9c6539ee6362cae9/test-meant-screen-teachers-instead-weeded-out-minorities) > > It is true that racial and ethnic minorities like blacks and Latinos do worse on the test, and it is also true that some education reformers support keeping the test. It’s also true that we need to do something, as a nation, about the quality of students emerging from our schools, as well as the quality of students entering our teacher-training programs. > > The AP story, however, suggests that this test wasn’t necessary, because it duplicated stuff done elsewhere.There are some who also argue that the test itself, produced by a for-profit education company, is not actually very good. And, given the title of this thread, it’s worth pointing out that the critics of the test are not simply a bunch of liberal college professors:Emphasis mine. > > It seems that it’s not just minorities who do poorly on the test. Apparently conservatives aren’t very good at it either. 🙂 > > Also, [this New York Post article](http://nypost.com/2017/03/13/state-nixes-literacy-exam-for-prospective-teachers/) suggests that the test was taken AFTER students had completed their college degrees, but before being placed in classrooms. Some further research seems to confirm this. It seems to me that, if students are graduating with their degrees from Schools of Education without proper literacy skills, the real issue that needs addressing is the admission procedures for education majors at the college and university level. > > As someone who teaches in a university, and who is perennially disheartened by the level of reading ability among our incoming freshmen, i firmly believe that we need to put better teachers into classrooms, and we also need to set higher standards for our school kids. I also agree, based on my own experience and on my reading in the field, that a lot of Schools of Education seem to have pretty low standards, and often end up with some of the weakest students seeking careers as teachers. > > Of course, one of the reasons for this is the basic issue of supply and demand. Americans all say that they want good teachers in their schools, and they say that standards should be high. But many Americans, including many conservatives, keep paying teachers like crap and treating them like crap, and then wonder why none of the best students want to become teachers. If schools of education don’t get the best material to work with, maybe we need to consider increasing the incentives for strong scholars to enter the profession. But that might require raising taxes, and of course, we couldn’t have that, could we? … ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2017, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5978 "2017-06-20T19:45:45Z")
Does the administration really want smarter kids, though? As he put it, “I love the poorly educated.” ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2017, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5979 "2017-06-21T14:11:39Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > The problem is that that incident doesn’t qualify as a stupid liberal idea. It’s one asshole who happened to be a stupid liberal, but so far, I haven’t seen liberals as a whole running amok shooting conservatives on sight. > > I do try to pick things that reflect the group as a whole. \*\*I’ve missed a few, but I really do try to take aim at the group, not paint the group with a wide brush based on the actions of an individual or two. \*\* Unless, of course, it’s an influential few people like a school board. Those are commendable words. Especially the bolded part. > [@Bayard](#): > > But, a while back, an incident you touted as the threadwinner was some random Irish writer who had written and self-published a novel in which Trump was assassinated or something. A novel which she was giving away, presumably because no one wanted to buy it. You were quite worked up about it, IIRC. So, I question your consistency in not painting liberals with a broad brush based on one or two assholes. > [@Clothahump](#): > > See the highlight. What part of that did you not understand? But now I’m really curious as to what those words mean to _you_, because after reading Bayard’s comment, I too . . . > [@](#): > > question your consistency in **not painting liberals with a broad brush based on one or two assholes**. But more than that, I’m hoping you can answer another question for me: > [@Clothahump](#): > > You know what they say when you assume things? In your case, it’s absolutely correct. > [@Clothahump](#): > > You know what they say when you assume things? In your case, it’s absolutely correct. What _do_ they say when you assume things? I’m genuinely curious. I don’t think I’ve ever heard that one. Also: > [@Clothahump](#): > > Go back and read the posts where I have told someone to fuck off. It has always been in response to a massive pile of horseshit having been dumped on me, usually accompanied by childish namecalling. **In that situation, fuck off is the politest thing I could say**. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > You blocked me for asking you about your usage of ethnic slurs. So I’d say you’re not being entirely truthful here. You know what they say you should do if you can’t say anything polite. (Well, I \*assume _you know. And you know what they say about people who assume things. \* I_ still don’t.) Enjoy your trip, I guess? Hope all’s well. I’ll check back in a week or so to be edumacated about the proverb you hinted at. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2017, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/5980 "2017-06-21T15:05:46Z")
There’s no point. As repeatedly noted, any posts with substantive points are ignored by **Clothahump** unless and until he is browbeaten into responding. Then he’ll give a bunch of only vaguely relevant answers while liberally [sic] sprinkling insults and claims of intellectual superiority. When what little actual argument he manages to make immediately crumbles before the lightest of scrutiny, he will claim anyone pointing this out is just posting abuse, tell them to “Fuck off” and promptly block them. When **Clothy** says he “doesn’t suffer fools gladly”, what he means is that he hides from them in order to mitigate the cognitive dissonance caused by those he considers his mental inferiors nevertheless handing him his rhetorical ass repeatedly. Because he’s kind of a whiny snowflake like that, and he needs his safe space. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=298) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=300)