# Stupid liberal idea of the day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 20, 2011, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086 "2011-04-20T15:35:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 315
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2017, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/6281 "2017-09-21T16:30:06Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Nope. It’s me vs. the braindead liberals. There’s nothing reasonable about the posts you people are making, and there sure as hell isn’t anything “informed” about them. And you know this from actually reading and looking up the cites provided? Outside of the Pit you actually mock and deride Christians. That’s a liberal thing. You just want the drama. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2017, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/6282 "2017-09-21T18:42:25Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > …so this thread is, pretty much, **Clothahump** versus the reasonable and informed people now…? Don’t forget “decent.” “Reasonable, informed, and _decent_ people.” ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2017, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/6283 "2017-09-21T18:51:33Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It wasn’t until I served in the Navy that I learned that most people who disagreed with my politics were still pretty decent and intelligent people. > > It’s a shame you never learned the same lesson. You’re a good person, **iiandyiiii** , and well-intentioned, and an inspiration to us all. That said, I’m afraid your admonition to friend **Clothy** is doomed to never bear fruit. In his view, you see, the people who disagreed with your politics _agree[d] with his politics._ To his way of thinking, _of course_ they were pretty decent and intelligent. And in his view, they were the only ones who had those qualities. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/6284 "2017-09-22T03:57:13Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Now, now. The man has repeatedly said that the reason he doesn’t engage with us “people” is because we don’t offer anything substantive and instead only resort to insults. So I’m presenting substantive, well-reasoned arguments. If he can respond in kind, it’s all good. And if he can’t, well… Clothahump is not in the slightest bit interested in honest discussion. He has admitted multiple times that his purpose in frequenting this board is to goad liberals. There’s no reason even to assume sincerity in his professed endorsement of Trump. If he _were_ being sincere in that regard, he would have listed “pissing off liberals” as Trump’s primary achievement. When Trump’s house of cards finally comes crashing down, I wonder how long it will take before Clothahump claims that Trump was neither a Republican nor a conservative, but was actually a liberal stooge all along. > [@Clothahump](#): > > Well, let’s start with . . . > [trivial content] > . . . That’ll do for a start. This is a callback to how Clothahump kicked off this silly project. > [@Clothahump](#): > > So many to choose from… Let’s start with . . . > [trivial content] Translates to “that’s the best I could come up with.” It’s akin to Trump’s own manner of talking up his bigness without having anything to show. “That was just the tip. Believe me, it’s HUGE! The HUGEST! Just you wait and see. You’ll be amazed. Believe me.” I believe Texans refer to this type as “big hat, no cattle.” ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/6285 "2017-09-22T04:07:16Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > Clothahump is not in the slightest bit interested in honest discussion. He has admitted multiple times that his purpose in frequenting this board is to goad liberals. > There’s no reason even to assume sincerity in his professed endorsement of Trump. If he _were_ being sincere in that regard, he would have listed “pissing off liberals” as Trump’s primary achievement. > When Trump’s house of cards finally comes crashing down, I wonder how long it will take before Clothahump claims that Trump was neither a Republican nor a conservative, but was actually a liberal stooge all along. > > This is a callback to how Clothahump kicked off this silly project. > > Translates to “that’s the best I could come up with.” > > It’s akin to Trump’s own manner of talking up his bigness without having anything to show. > “That was just the tip. Believe me, it’s HUGE! The HUGEST! Just you wait and see. You’ll be amazed. Believe me.” > > I believe Texans refer to this type as “big hat, no cattle.” NC, once again, you try to be an expert on me, and you fail miserably. But that’s nothing new. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/6286 "2017-09-22T04:45:30Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > NC, once again, you try to be an expert on me, and you fail miserably. But that’s nothing new. No one is interested in being an expert on your life, you self-important twit. Put up or shut up. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/6287 "2017-09-22T13:36:17Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > No one is interested in being an expert on your life, you self-important twit. > > Put up or shut up. Put up what? You haven’t asked me anything. You’ve just made a fool of yourself (again, I might add). But keep bringing the funny, bro. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/6288 "2017-09-22T14:01:19Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Put up what? You haven’t asked me anything. I have. See post #6275. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/6289 "2017-09-22T14:18:29Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > NC, once again, you try to be an expert on me, and you fail miserably. But that’s nothing new. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Have you ever stopped to consider what your own fruits are, at least in relation to this board? ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/6290 "2017-09-22T14:21:24Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > NC, once again, you try to be an expert on me, and you fail miserably. But that’s nothing new. You know, when you keep reusing that line, it doesn’t increase our understanding one bit. If you’re not going to explain your reasoning, we won’t be likely to consider your viewpoint valid, and we’ll make assumptions you don’t want us to make. You can’t just act like your imaginary jogger, blurt some biased talking point, and run away. You just want teh dramas. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/6291 "2017-09-22T15:40:04Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > You know, when you keep reusing that line, it doesn’t increase our understanding one bit. If you’re not going to explain your reasoning, we won’t be likely to consider your viewpoint valid, and we’ll make assumptions you don’t want us to make. [For example…](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu4cCQ4yYBo&t=5m10s) ---
**Author:** ![Bill\_Door](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@Bill\_Door](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bill_Door)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/6292 "2017-09-22T16:11:20Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > (snip)Booming economy - when he was elected, Dow-Jones was at 18000 and change. Today it’s up over 22000. I sincerely doubt we would be seeing numbers like that if Hillary had won.(snip) Booming economy? Well, by that metric Trump comes off a distant second. My US stock index is up 16.6% since October 1st 2016, but my international stock index is up 22.1%, so he’s down 30% relative to the global economy. That kind of sucks if you’re keeping score. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/6293 "2017-09-22T16:20:40Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > No one is interested in being an expert on your life, you self-important twit. > > Put up or shut up. > [@Clothahump](#): > > Put up what? You haven’t asked me anything… Not Carlson, you can ask him the question I asked him if you want. Seems like he might finally be in the mood to answer questions. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/6294 "2017-09-22T16:27:58Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > When Trump’s house of cards finally comes crashing down, I wonder how long it will take before Clothahump claims that Trump was neither a Republican nor a conservative, but was actually a liberal stooge all along. > > > [@Clothahump](#): > > > > Well, let’s start with . . . > > [trivial content] > > . . . That’ll do for a start. > > This is a callback to how Clothahump kicked off this silly project. > > > [@Clothahump](#): > > > > So many to choose from… Let’s start with . . . > > [trivial content] > > Translates to “that’s the best I could come up with.” [Moderating] **Not Carlson** , inserting editorial content, such as “trivial content,” is against the board rules on altering another poster’s text inside of quote boxes. Please avoid this in the future. No warning issued. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/6295 "2017-09-22T16:34:08Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Booming economy - when he was elected, Dow-Jones was at 18000 and change. Today it’s up over 22000. I sincerely doubt we would be seeing numbers like that if Hillary had won. It is common practice to assume a lag of one year when hanging successes or failures in the economy around a president’s neck. This has been SOP for ages and is nothing new. Reason being is an economy this big has a momentum and like a big ship there is a lag between turning the wheel and the ship starting to turn. Further, this year’s budget was set last year when Obama was president. As such Trump cannot take much credit (or blame) for the US economy just yet beyond minor hiccups. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/6296 "2017-09-22T16:38:05Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Put up what? You haven’t asked me anything. You’ve just made a fool of yourself (again, I might add). > > But keep bringing the funny, bro. Yes, I was foolish to think you could figure it out without me having to put it all back in your face again. > [@scr4](#): > > So what exactly is the “liberal idea” in your story? > [@septimus](#): > > Did you learn anything, **Mr. Hump**? Are you still going to get your news from [RightWingLies.com](http://RightWingLies.com) or whatever-the-fuck that “news” site was? > > I think you’d best respond to my following post, or we’ll worry that your recent moment of self-awareness was just an aberration. > [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > Now, how is your current faith in ConservativeFighters as a news source, considering they have fed you a BS story? > [@septimus](#): > > **Mr. Hump**? Don’t you recall that you were instructed to post your sources (and to try to avoid #FakeNews) ? We can lead you to water — but you have to open your own mouth-hole and drink. > > “Tanked”? Faux News wrote “cratered”; some other [RightWingLies.com](http://RightWingLies.com) wrote “plummeted.” Where did “Tanked” come from? > [@septimus](#): > > Hey, **Hump**! Have you acknowledged posting a #FalseFact about the Emmy’s rating from your [HatefulLies.For.Right-wing-dummies.com](http://HatefulLies.For.Right-wing-dummies.com) yet? > > Or do your ward attendants just allow you one retraction per week? > [@bobot](#): > > Oh Boy I would love to hear all about it! Do you have examples? > [@mhendo](#): > > Actually, i love to hear some examples of this: > [@DrFidelius](#): > > Please, be specific. > [@bobot](#): > > FINISH building the wall! That’s a fucking riot. You should get an HBO special! While we’re here, how about those 8 years of Obama fuckups, care to elaborate? > [@running\_coach](#): > > When has insurance ever been affordable? 13 years ago, a group plan through my employer was $475 a month. The only reason I could afford it was the employer paid $350 of it. > > The “affordable” plans you’re thinking of actually covered little. Maybe doctors visits and little else. Part of the reason for the higher premiums under the ACA was that plans actually have to cover a specified minimum level of medical care and stopped many of the abuses from the insurance companies. > [Insurance pre-ACA.](https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2013/11/health-insurance-before-obamacare/index.htm) > > [The ‘good old days’ before Obamacare](https://www.healthinsurance.org/blog/2014/10/25/the-good-old-days-before-obamacare/) > [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > And you know this from actually reading and looking up the cites provided? > [@Gyrate](#): > > By that metric you ought to be thrilled at what Obama achieved then, given the state of the Dow when he took office vs. when he left it. > [@Gyrate](#): > > Is it? I’d appreciate a cite on that. > [@Gyrate](#): > > And again, given that under the Obama administration the number of illegal immigrants deported or prevented from entering the country dramatically increased over those of the previous administration, surely you would want to credit him for the increasing level of diligence in dealing with illegal immigration. > [@Gyrate](#): > > As for Obamacare - you claim it has made insurance unaffordable and yet millions more have insurance (and have better quality insurance that covers pre-existing conditions and is not subject to recission). The current bill will effectively make insurance unaffordable for 32 million people. How is that a positive?. > [@Gyrate](#): > > It’s strange that you claim we aren’t “informed” and yet we are able to back up our claims with substantive information. You can’t, won’t, or at the very least haven’t. Even the vast majority of the examples of “stupid liberal ideas” you have provided have fallen over with the slightest of scrutiny. Mind you, it’s possible that you’re unable to rebut our points and are merely resorting to ad hominem attacks to distract from this, but given how vociferously you’ve opposed that approach in the past I’m sure that can’t be the case here… Feel free to take the high road and ignore my peevishness, but how about answering the questions put to you? Probably not as much fun as poking the liberal monkeys with your stick and claiming superiority. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/6297 "2017-09-22T16:38:07Z")
> [@Bill\_Door](#): > > Booming economy? Well, by that metric Trump comes off a distant second. My US stock index is up 16.6% since October 1st 2016, but my international stock index is up 22.1%, so he’s down 30% relative to the global economy. That kind of sucks if you’re keeping score. I’m just amused that it’s an “achievement” for Trump to have maintained US stock growth [at the same rate as the preceding four years](https://finance.yahoo.com/chart/%5EDJI/#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) (other than those two major dips when he was elected and when he took office). ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/6298 "2017-09-22T16:40:56Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > [Moderating] > **Not Carlson** , inserting editorial content, such as “trivial content,” is against the board rules on altering another poster’s text inside of quote boxes. Please avoid this in the future. > > No warning issued. > [/Moderating] **Miller** , thanks for the note. I had thought that including truncations or comments in brackets was kosher. I’ll watch out for this in the future. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/6299 "2017-09-22T16:47:12Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Not Carlson, you can ask him the question I asked him if you want. Seems like he might finally be in the mood to answer questions. Thanks, **bobot**. I did include your very valid counterpoint to his vapid and baseless claim of a Trump victory with the wall. But I am under no illusion that he is at all interested in answering questions. It’s just a game to him and he is completely without sincerity. ---
**Author:** ![Bill\_Door](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@Bill\_Door](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bill_Door)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/6300 "2017-09-22T17:13:41Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I’m just amused that it’s an “achievement” for Trump to have maintained US stock growth [at the same rate as the preceding four years](https://finance.yahoo.com/chart/%5EDJI/#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) (other than those two major dips when he was elected and when he took office). And if you look at the five year returns the US returns were 14.54% while the international returns were 7.68%, so President Obama’s market beat the global market quite handily. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=314) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=316)