# Stupid liberal idea of the day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 20, 2011, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086 "2011-04-20T15:35:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 340
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/6781 "2018-01-18T14:32:14Z")
I projected into the future a bit - government committees do tend to work slowly (and hopefully meticulously). ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/6782 "2018-01-18T15:01:01Z")
> [@](#): > > because that’s the way the other side would do it. that’s exactly right. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/6783 "2018-01-18T17:03:07Z")
> [@AI\_Proofreader](#): > > **Call me crazy, but drug usage, birth control, sexual orientation and activity, and marriage all seem to be highly personal and individual activities, yet they are issues that “small government conservatives” seem obsessed with trying to legislate against.** Bolding and enlarging mine, for emphasis and truth. I apologize if that bends rules. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/6784 "2018-01-18T18:09:34Z")
Marriage is very much a social and legal institution, especially with respect to the right to marry, so I don’t think that can be classed with the others. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/6785 "2018-01-18T18:13:26Z")
> [@j666](#): > > Marriage is very much a social and legal institution, especially with respect to the right to marry, so I don’t think that can be classed with the others. Except for dictating that icky people can’t marry. Or skin color decides who you can marry. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/6786 "2018-01-18T18:14:41Z")
> [@j666](#): > > Marriage is very much a social and legal institution, especially with respect to the right to marry, so I don’t think that can be classed with the others. NOW, and in mostly western societies. But historically, as a whole, it has not been something mandated and controlled by the government, rather by the religion of the participants and by the local culture. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/6787 "2018-01-18T18:24:29Z")
The **Marriage Act 1753** , full title “An Act for the Better Preventing of Clandestine Marriage”, popularly known as Lord Hardwicke’s Marriage Act (citation 26 Geo. II. c. 33), was the first statutory legislation in England and Wales to require a formal ceremony of marriage. It came into force on 25 March 1754. The Act was precipitated by a dispute about the validity of a Scottish marriage, although pressure to address the problem of clandestine marriage had been growing for some time. Before the Act, the legal requirements for a valid marriage in England and Wales had been governed by the canon law of the Church of England." _ **So before 1753, marriage was not a matter of the state in England, but of the officially mandated state religion.** _ The USA inherited its marriage laws mostly from the UK, with the first law requiring a marriage license created in 1639 in Massachusetts. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2018, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/6788 "2018-01-19T15:18:33Z")
Since everybody seems to get so bent out of shape if I just post about a single stupid liberal, here’s something different: an entire state full of stupid liberals. > [@](#): > > California Attorney General Xavier Becerra warned employers Thursday of legal repercussions if they assist federal immigration officials in an impending crackdown in the sanctuary state, The Sacramento Bee reported. > > Under a new state law – the Immigration Worker Protection Act – employers and businesses could face fines of up to $10,000 if they provide employee information to U.S. Immigration Customs, Becerra said. You gotta hand it to California - they do lead the way in the vast majority of stupid liberal stunts. This is one of the better ones. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2018, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/6789 "2018-01-19T15:35:51Z")
Yeah, wanting a warrant before handing over information sure is stupid! ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2018, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/6790 "2018-01-19T15:44:42Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > I apologize if that bends rules. I dabbled a little on a forum that was rife with “T,FTFY”. We do not have that here, thank Og. Basically, if you edit a quote, you can correct typos, separate the parts you want to respond to, and/or add formatting (usually to the same effect). What you cannot do is alter a quote in a way that changes its meaning. Stupid Liberal Idea, yeah, I know, but that is how it is. So, I think you are golden here. No bending at all. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2018, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/6791 "2018-01-19T15:51:12Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Since everybody seems to get so bent out of shape if I just post about a single stupid liberal, here’s something different: an entire state full of stupid liberals. > You gotta hand it to California - they do lead the way in the vast majority of stupid liberal stunts. This is one of the better ones. You’re upset at the AG for telling people to follow state law? You’d prefer he instructs everyone to violate state law? Maybe you disagree with the law itself, but if there’s a conflict about whether that law is Constitutional, that will be resolved in the courts. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2018, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/6792 "2018-01-19T16:02:06Z")
Hey, at least **Clothahump** posted something done by an actual government official, and he included something that’s almost a cite (a link to the source would be even better, chief). By **Clothahump** standards, that’s a quality post! ETA: He loses points, however, for claiming that California is full of nothing but liberals, and for then criticizing the whole state for the actions of one person. Baby steps. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2018, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/6793 "2018-01-19T17:11:14Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Yeah, wanting a warrant before handing over information sure is stupid! But … but … but they’re _immigrants!_ And _brown!_ And likely _illegal!_ Helping illegal brown immigrants is _stupid!_ [/sarcasm] ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2018, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/6794 "2018-01-19T17:14:21Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > ETA: He loses points, however, for claiming that California is full of nothing but liberals, and for then criticizing the whole state for the actions of one person. Baby steps. Yeah, that’s as stupid as claiming all of NY is liberal. NYC is very, very blue, except Staten Island, and has the bulk of the state’s population. The rest of the state is mostly purple and red. I would imagine much of the same holds true for California, especially northern California. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2018, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/6795 "2018-01-19T17:20:03Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > Yeah, that’s as stupid as claiming all of NY is liberal. NYC is very, very blue, except Staten Island, and has the bulk of the state’s population. The rest of the state is mostly purple and red. I would imagine much of the same holds true for California, especially northern California. What likely prompted AG Becerra to issue that statement was [ICE planning “a major sweep” in Northern California](https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Feds-planning-massive-Northern-California-12502689.php). ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2018, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/6796 "2018-01-19T17:40:50Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > Yeah, that’s as stupid as claiming all of NY is liberal. NYC is very, very blue, except Staten Island, and has the bulk of the state’s population. The rest of the state is mostly purple and red. I would imagine much of the same holds true for California, especially northern California. Also, despite the national-level rhetoric on immigration, it’s not an issue that easily follows the liberal/conservative or Democratic/Republican divide. Plenty of conservative, Republican-leaning business owners would like to retain access to cheap immigrant labor. And historically, left-leaning groups like labor unions have been some of the strongest supporters of tougher immigration laws. Just a few weeks after Trump’s inauguration last year, the New York Times ran an [article](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/09/us/california-farmers-backed-trump-but-now-fear-losing-field-workers.html) about farmers from California’s Central Valley who had voted for Trump, but who were worried that they were going to lose field hands under his immigration policies. > [@](#): > > Jeff Marchini and others in the Central Valley here bet their farms on the election of Donald J. Trump. His message of reducing regulations and taxes appealed to this Republican stronghold, one of Mr. Trump’s strongest bases of support in the state. > > As for his promises about cracking down on illegal immigrants, many assumed Mr. Trump’s pledges were mostly just talk. But two weeks into his administration, Mr. Trump has signed executive orders that have upended the country’s immigration laws. Now farmers here are deeply alarmed about what the new policies could mean for their workers, most of whom are unauthorized, and the businesses that depend on them. > > \ > > “If you only have legal labor, certain parts of this industry and this region will not exist,” said Harold McClarty, a fourth-generation farmer in Kingsburg whose operation grows, packs and ships peaches, plums and grapes throughout the country. “If we sent all these people back, it would be a total disaster.” So Trump spent his whole campaign talking about how he was going to kick out illegal immigrants, and these fucking doofuses voted for him, and then start complaining when he keeps his promise. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2018, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/6797 "2018-01-19T18:06:19Z")
Everyone who isn’t alt-right who voted for Shit-Gibbon voted against their own self interest, simply to spite the other side or because of crippling ignorance or both. Sad part is that Shit-Gibbon wasn’t the worst one on the debate stage pre-election. That distinction goes to the current Secretary of Housing and Urban Development. Hell, when frikkin’ Chris Christie is one of the better choices, your party has lost its shit. The Democrats gave a choice Clinton and Sanders, which was _at best_ ‘meh’, yet either were far better than any Republican candidate (except maybe Kascich, who I know next to nothing about other than he was the only R candidate who wasn’t a raving lunatic). ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2018, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/6798 "2018-01-19T18:10:19Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > Everyone who isn’t alt-right who voted for Shit-Gibbon voted against their own self interest, simply to spite the other side or because of crippling ignorance or both. > > Sad part is that Shit-Gibbon wasn’t the worst one on the debate stage pre-election. That distinction goes to the current Secretary of Housing and Urban Development. Hell, when frikkin’ Chris Christie is one of the better choices, your party has lost its shit. The Democrats gave a choice Clinton and Sanders, which was _at best_ ‘meh’, yet either were far better than any Republican candidate (except maybe Kascich, who I know next to nothing about other than he was the only R candidate who wasn’t a raving lunatic). Actually, Kasich’s [views on the major issues](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kasich#Political_positions_and_record) are just as odious as the rest, he’s just reticent to froth. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2018, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/6799 "2018-01-19T18:12:36Z")
Well, I did say “maybe”. Just never had a reason to research him. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2018, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/6800 "2018-01-19T19:45:20Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > Sad part is that Shit-Gibbon wasn’t the worst one on the debate stage pre-election. That distinction goes to the current Secretary of Housing and Urban Development. Hell, when frikkin’ Chris Christie is one of the better choices, your party has lost its shit. The Democrats gave a choice Clinton and Sanders, which was _at best_ ‘meh’, yet either were far better than any Republican candidate (except maybe Kascich, who I know next to nothing about other than he was the only R candidate who wasn’t a raving lunatic). Everyone forgets ol’ Low-Energy Jeb. I wouldn’t have been happy with a third iteration of the Bush dynasty, but he would have been a reasonable choice and probably done little unrepairable damage. Certainly I think his appointments to the various Federal benches would have been more reasonable. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=339) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=341)