# Stupid liberal idea of the day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 20, 2011, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086 "2011-04-20T15:35:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 352
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2018, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/7021 "2018-04-21T13:27:25Z")
The alt-right now has a new liberal boogeyman in [Randa Jarrar](http://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/article209454829.html) to rally against. She called Barbara Bush an “amazing racist” when she died, and is apparently enjoying her viral infamy. No doubt she’ll become a Fox news feature and infuriate more Trump supporters at a time when Democrats are trying to win them over. She’s the perfect conservative villain: Muslim, nonwhite woman with a big mouth from the Left Coast. Shut your pie hole, lady. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2018, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/7022 "2018-04-21T13:57:27Z")
Sing loud, lady! Pussyfooting around the feelings of the right is part of what got you people into the mess you’re in. They were given an inch, they’ve taken their mile. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2018, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/7023 "2018-04-21T14:18:06Z")
The smart thing would be to point out her partisan double standard. By her own standards, all mothers of Presidents have birthed war criminals. But if she attacked Barack Obama’s mom she actually would lose her job. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2018, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/7024 "2018-04-21T19:22:45Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The smart thing would be to point out her partisan double standard. By her own standards, all mothers of Presidents have birthed war criminals. But if she attacked Barack Obama’s mom she actually would lose her job. William C. Bradford called her “a fourth-rate p&\*n actress and w@!re” online. He claimed his account was hacked even though he admitted saying a lot of other inflammatory things (including calling Obama a Kenyan and saying that the World War II-era internment of Japanese-Americans was necessary; in 2015 he resigned as a professor at West Point after penning an academic paper that argued the US military should target Islamic holy sites) he did resign but there was zero evidence he would have been fired had he not quit. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2018, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/7025 "2018-04-21T20:32:09Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > I usually cut a lot of slack for people who try to learn about topics they know nothing about… but [this story](https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/dc-lawmaker-who-said-jews-control-the-weather-visits-holocaust-museum/2018/04/19/0b69ddde-4329-11e8-8569-26fda6b404c7_story.html) just pisses me off. > > It is behind a paywall, so let me explain. A DC council member posted some really ignorant bullshit on his Facebook page about the Rothschilds controlling the weather, apparently with no clue that his comments were really offensive on the basis of “who controls the earth and the skies? The Jews!” nonsense. > > So the councilmember, to his credit, tries to make things right, in kind of a fumbling way. Meets with some Jewish community leaders, seems to be having some kind of dialog, and then makes a quiet visit to the Holocaust Museum… but just so happens there is a reporter there to watch the tour he’s being given. Then these things happen: > > 1. Upon seeing a picture of a girl surrounded by Nazis with a sign that she had been “defiled” by Jews, he insists that the Nazis seem to be protecting her. > 2. Upon seeing a picture of Catholics being executed by Nazis, he wonders who made the guns. > 3. He then just sorta… leaves… halfway through the tour. > 4. He’s found waiting outside the museum, by himself, and insists that he had a pressing engagement and tries to duck the reporter. > > So, yeah. If it were just the mildly offensive questions, I might cut some slack. But ditching a tour of a museum to wait outside while your staff continues to learn about the Holocaust? > > That is fucked up. he represents Marrion Barry’s old ward. I’m not eve going to try to defend the crazy that comes out of there. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2018, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/7026 "2018-04-21T20:42:09Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > By her own standards, all mothers of Presidents have birthed war criminals Only one has lied us into a war of aggression and sponsored and defended torture. IOW, stuff your bothsidesism somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2018, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/7027 "2018-04-21T22:34:43Z")
Really, I think Bar’s husband was not really a war criminal. The liberation of Q8 was an arbitrarily just cause, prosecuted in comparatively proper fashion. Admittedly, his role in President 666’s administration was probably less than salutary, but, other than the fucked up mess of Nicaragua and the absurd SDI initiative, there was not much mischief in that period. Carter, though, his hands were pretty damn clean. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/7028 "2018-04-22T00:15:54Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > But if she attacked Barack Obama’s mom she actually would lose her job. Do you have any evidence for this, except your own hidebound sense of self-righteousness? I work in the same university system as this woman, although not on the same campus. She, like me, is a member of the California Faculty Association (CFA), which is the system-wide union representing teaching faculty within the California State University. On my campus, I am a member of the union’s Faculty Rights Committee, which provides advice and assistance for faculty members facing work-related problems. We deal with a wide variety of issues, from Title IX complaints, to promotion and tenure issues, to workload grievances, to student complaints about professors’ teaching. We are not lawyers, and the scope of our assistance is generally limited to problems and issues related to the Collective Bargaining Agreement, but we get consulted on a wide variety of cases. And I can tell you that if my university tried to suspend or fire a faculty member for making a social media attack on Barack Obama’s mother, on a private social media account unrelated to the faculty member’s on-campus duties, the union would absolutely come to that faculty member’s defense. And I’m pretty sure we would prevail. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/7029 "2018-04-22T03:04:29Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > William C. Bradford called her “a fourth-rate p&\*n actress and w@!re” online. He claimed his account was hacked even though he admitted saying a lot of other inflammatory things (including calling Obama a Kenyan and saying that the World War II-era internment of Japanese-Americans was necessary; in 2015 he resigned as a professor at West Point after penning an academic paper that argued the US military should target Islamic holy sites) he did resign but there was zero evidence he would have been fired had he not quit. West Point’s culture is just a BIT different from your average college. If Jarrar had attacked Obama’s mother the student body wouldn’t stop occupying university buildings until she was fired. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/7030 "2018-04-22T03:06:33Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Do you have any evidence for this, except your own hidebound sense of self-righteousness? > > I work in the same university system as this woman, although not on the same campus. She, like me, is a member of the California Faculty Association (CFA), which is the system-wide union representing teaching faculty within the California State University. > > On my campus, I am a member of the union’s Faculty Rights Committee, which provides advice and assistance for faculty members facing work-related problems. We deal with a wide variety of issues, from Title IX complaints, to promotion and tenure issues, to workload grievances, to student complaints about professors’ teaching. We are not lawyers, and the scope of our assistance is generally limited to problems and issues related to the Collective Bargaining Agreement, but we get consulted on a wide variety of cases. > > And I can tell you that if my university tried to suspend or fire a faculty member for making a social media attack on Barack Obama’s mother, on a private social media account unrelated to the faculty member’s on-campus duties, the union would absolutely come to that faculty member’s defense. And I’m pretty sure we would prevail. I would hope that a union would stand up for its members. But the pressure to fire her would be great, from the student body and from fellow faculty members. She can’t be ignorant of Obama’s drone warfare program and its results. She avoids that kind of rhetoric against him for a reason. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/7031 "2018-04-22T04:06:12Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I would hope that a union would stand up for its members. But the pressure to fire her would be great, from the student body and from fellow faculty members. God you’re a fucking idiot. You said she would actually lose her job; you didn’t just say that some people would call for her dismissal. I have no doubt that some students and faculty might raise a stink, but it would not be successful. Also, do you know anything about Fresno? I know people who teach there, and a significant portion of the student body reflect the strong conservative politics of California’s Central Valley; it’s one of the most conservative campuses (possibly the most conservative) in the CSU system. > [@adaher](#): > > She can’t be ignorant of Obama’s drone warfare program and its results. She avoids that kind of rhetoric against him for a reason. She might simply avoid that kind of rhetoric because she’s a hypocrite, or for any one of a dozen other reasons. Or maybe she just understands—apparently unlike you, with your false equivalencies—that even if all Presidents do immoral things, some are worse than others. You sometimes give evidence of a little bit of thoughtfulness, but you can never resist your moronic games of false equivalence. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/7032 "2018-04-22T23:27:30Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Only one has lied us into a war of aggression and sponsored and defended torture. > > IOW, stuff your bothsidesism somewhere. I don’t know about the torture part of it, but Lyndon Johnson sure lied us into Vietnam. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2018, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/7033 "2018-04-22T23:47:47Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > I don’t know about the torture part of it, but Lyndon Johnson sure lied us into Vietnam. Don’t you mean [Eisenhower](https://thevietnamwar.info/us-presidents-during-the-vietnam-war/)? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2018, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/7034 "2018-04-23T00:59:59Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Don’t you mean [Eisenhower](https://thevietnamwar.info/us-presidents-during-the-vietnam-war/)? Ike has a much bigger [stain on his legacy](https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/vol48no2/article10.html) \*… Eisenhower and his secretary of state, John Foster Dulles, were dedicated to rolling back communism and defending democratic governments threatened by Moscow’s machinations. In Iran’s case, with diplomacy having failed and a military incursion infeasible (the Korean War was underway), they decided to take care of “that madman Mossadeq” through a covert action … That takeover, according to Kinzer, links the 51-year-old coup with recent and current terrorism. [indent]_With their devotion to radical Islam and their eagerness to embrace even the most horrific kinds of violence, Iran’s revolutionary leaders became heroes to fanatics in many countries. Among those who were inspired by their example were Afghans who founded the Taliban, led it to power in Kabul, and gave Osama bin-Laden the base from which he launched devastating terror attacks.…_ Kinzer would have been better off making a less sweeping judgment: that TPAJAX got the CIA into the regime-change business for good—similar efforts would soon follow in Guatemala, Indonesia, and Cuba—but that the Agency has had little success at that enterprise, while bringing itself and the United States more political ill will, and breeding more untoward results, than any other of its activities.… (which) helps clarify why, when many Iraqis heard President George Bush concede that “(s)ixty years of Western nations excusing and accommodating the lack of freedom in the Middle East did nothing to make us safe,” they may have reacted with more than a little skepticism.\*[/INDENT] Straight from the horse’s mouth. (Stephen Kinzer wrote _All the Shah’s Men_, which was being reviewed in the article.) ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2018, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/7035 "2018-04-28T13:43:00Z")
More whackiness and silly hijinks from yet another school administration. > **[Two NJ high school students suspended for going to gun range after school](https://americanmilitarynews.com/2018/03/two-nj-high-school-students-suspended-after-posting-pics-at-gun-range-after-school/)** > > This story has been updated to reflect additional information. Lacey Township School District in central New Jersey reportedly suspended two high school When the kids go back to school, I think they should wear NRA shirts just because. ---
**Author:** ![Covfefe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ee7513/32.png) [@Covfefe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covfefe)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2018, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/7036 "2018-04-28T14:03:57Z")
Your story is over a month old…they are already back in school. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2018, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/7037 "2018-04-28T15:11:18Z")
Also I think we already discussed that incident. IIRC, neither the students themselves nor their parents ever commented publicly. The outrage was all second hand. The school also never commented, probably because of FERPA concerns. So, we never really got a decent version of the facts, just ranting from the gun nuts. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2018, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/7038 "2018-04-28T16:18:42Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > Also I think we already discussed that incident. IIRC, neither the students themselves nor their parents ever commented publicly. The outrage was all second hand. The school also never commented, probably because of FERPA concerns. So, we never really got a decent version of the facts, just ranting from the gun nuts. So you’re saying Humpy was wrong?! No way! ---
**Author:** ![TallPoppy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a8b319/32.png) [@TallPoppy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TallPoppy)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2018, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/7039 "2018-04-28T17:55:13Z")
Cory Booker, a congressman from New Jersey (Democrat), pushed the (now) Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, repeatedly about Muslims & his views on gay sex. Really??? I’m not sure how that is relevant to qualifying for Secretary of State?! He kept saying “is gay sex a perversion to you”? I think that’s quite an unprofessional way to compose yourself when you’re essentially interviewing someone for a position. At a job interview for all of us “regular” citizens…the potential employer can’t ask you ANY questions about things like this! No asking about religious views, or sexual orientation, kids etc.! ---
**Author:** ![Covfefe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ee7513/32.png) [@Covfefe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covfefe)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2018, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/7040 "2018-04-28T18:02:27Z")
More old news. Is Clotty cloning himself? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=351) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=353)