# Stupid liberal idea of the day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 20, 2011, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086 "2011-04-20T15:35:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 392
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/7821 "2021-01-21T20:51:47Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > And now I want a sloppy joe. [Sloppy Joe, slop sloppy joe](https://www.google.com/search?q=sloppy+joe+sloppy+sloppy+joe&rlz=1C1GCEU_en&oq=sloppy+joe+slop&aqs=chrome.0.0i355i457j46j0j69i57j0l2j46i175i199j0i22i30.3473j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#kpvalbx=_JekJYNaHEc66tAbnkbzIDw13). ---
**Author:** ![lum\_s\_husband](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lum_s_husband/32/3698_2.png) [@lum\_s\_husband](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lum_s_husband)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/7822 "2021-01-21T20:52:15Z")
No amount of money is too great to spend to prevent the wrong people benefiting. All sides can agree on this principle. It’s the definition of wrong people where the argument lies. ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/7823 "2021-01-21T21:05:07Z")
> [@lum\_s\_husband](#): > > No amount of money is too great to spend to prevent the wrong people benefiting. All sides can agree on this principle. ?? Maybe I misunderstand you, but I think this is exactly one thing that people don’t agree on. ---
**Author:** ![lum\_s\_husband](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lum_s_husband/32/3698_2.png) [@lum\_s\_husband](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lum_s_husband)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/7824 "2021-01-21T21:07:17Z")
For conservatives wrong = poor/minorities For liberals wrong = rich ---
**Author:** ![Manwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@Manwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Manwich)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/7825 "2021-01-21T21:35:47Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > A check to _everyone_ is fair in exactly the same way that a flat tax is not. Yeah it’s like your name, dogs are friendly to everyone which is great, no reason to get mad when a dog loving licks the arm of a pervert or wealthy person, go dogs being good. ---
**Author:** ![Manwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@Manwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Manwich)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/7826 "2021-01-21T21:36:31Z")
> [@lum\_s\_husband](#): > > For conservatives wrong = poor/minorities > For liberals wrong = rich Yeah if liberals drop that shit it will be great tactically and practically. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/7827 "2021-01-21T21:41:34Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > > [@mhendo](#): > > > > I consider myself a progressive, and I think that a blanket cancellation of student loans is a terrible idea. > > I’m sorry, you can’t be a progressive unless you support cancel culture. I mean, you’re not exactly wrong. The idea that people have a right to provide consequences for bigoted speech is pretty core to modern progressivism. You have to be able to boycott those who support bigotry, as well as use your freedom of speech to explain why. And that’s what “cancel culture” ultimately is. Not that I see what that has to do with his post. My only quibble with it is that I think you have to acknowledge that the more well off you are, the less likely you are to need student loans. So it’s not quite as regressive as it may seem. But it is still regressive, as it’s not like those who can afford it don’t take out student loans, or that they don’t wind up with jobs where they could pay it back. The main argument I see for it is whether or not it would cost more to actually means test it. (You know, like how it often costs less to give everyone free lunches at public schools than to try and figure out who actually needs it.) ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/7828 "2021-01-21T21:41:48Z")
Is there an example you can give of liberals spending without limit for the puropse of preventing rich people from benefiting from a program? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/7829 "2021-01-21T21:41:54Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I heard on Fox last night that he has socialist plans for our country. Socialist! Oh yeah? Well, I heard a caller to C-Span this morning say that the plans involved socialism AND communism! The caller didn’t specify, but he sounded certain. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/7830 "2021-01-21T21:43:26Z")
They are gonna make me get gay married! ---
**Author:** ![Manwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@Manwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Manwich)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/7831 "2021-01-21T21:49:13Z")
Kamala Harris’ policy was widely mocked for its narrow criteria. > **[Presidential candidate Kamala Harris has a student debt forgiveness...](https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/07/31/kamala-harris-has-student-debt-forgiveness-plan-but-its-complicated.html)** > > Borrowers will have a lot of boxes to check before they can get the $20,000 in student debt forgiveness in Kamala Harris' plan. "Compared to what we've seen from candidates like Sen. Sanders and Sen. Warren, it's a much more narrow proposal," said... ---
**Author:** ![Manwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@Manwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Manwich)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/7832 "2021-01-21T21:58:49Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > You know, like how it often costs less to give everyone free lunches at public schools than to try and figure out who actually needs it.) Bingo **BigT**. And it reduces the stigma of some kids getting them and others not and that’s a lot of stigma and it’s kids stigma which is a sad type of stigma, poor kids (poor as in sympathy for them) ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/7833 "2021-01-21T21:59:26Z")
To me it’s not only that its narrow it’s that the subset its restricted is a non-sequitur. I agree that it makes sense to encourage people to start businesses in disadvantaged neighborhoods but what does that have to do with crippling student debt? What’s next? Medicare for those who install solar electric panels on their roofs? ---
**Author:** ![Manwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@Manwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Manwich)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/7834 "2021-01-21T22:39:51Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Medicare for those who install solar electric panels on their roofs? Yeah it plays into the idea that certain people deserve good things and others are unworthy. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/7835 "2021-01-21T22:39:54Z")
Running the numbers, giving “free college” to the 1% in addition to the 99% is probably worth it just to save on the administration cost of excluding 1% of college goers. I mean, creating a separate class of non-eligible participatants is a cost of its own, and not a negligible one. I agree with Manwich here. ---
**Author:** ![Manwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@Manwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Manwich)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/7836 "2021-01-21T22:42:11Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > I agree with Manwich here Always riding on my coattails. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/7837 "2021-01-21T22:43:02Z")
Let the trailblazer take the glory, I’ll take the profits. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2021, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/7838 "2021-01-22T01:40:05Z")
I think Destroying The Middle Class is a bad idea. I heard from a guy on facebook that Biden is going to do this by next week. Why doesn’t everyone fight against this Bad Liberal Idea? My friend on facebook is deeply confused by this. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2021, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/7840 "2021-01-22T01:56:33Z")
I think as a good faith token to the middle class, we should have a tax cut for the wealthy! (Do I have it, Republicans?) ---
**Author:** ![Manwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@Manwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Manwich)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2021, 8:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/7841 "2021-01-22T08:44:33Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I think Destroying The Middle Class is a bad idea. I heard from a guy on facebook that Biden is going to do this by next week. Now you’ve successfully stolen the election, go wild guys, you’ve earned it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=391) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=393)