# Stupid liberal idea of the day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 20, 2011, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086 "2011-04-20T15:35:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 417
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2026, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/8322 "2026-11-02T13:37:13Z")
It was very insensitive, yes, due to the timing. The broader (accurate) point is that atrocities abroad will cause unpredictable blowback, often against innocent civilians, and we should do everything we can to reduce those atrocities for multiple reasons including the pragmatic and “selfish” reason to protect our own communities. This accurate point should not have been brought up in the immediate aftermath of this shooting. There are better times for those kinds of discussion. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2026, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/8323 "2026-11-02T13:54:43Z")
“Explaining” that hate crime against Jews is being done because Israel hurts people is just insensitive bad timing? Exploiting hate crime against Jews as a spin against Israel is just insensitive bad timing? Is that your stupid liberal idea for the day? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2026, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/8324 "2026-11-02T14:02:48Z")
That’s not what I said. But let me make sure I understand you. Are you saying that no domestic US antisemitism (antisemitic words and statements as well as actions like this attack) has any connection at all to Israeli atrocities in Gaza and the WB? If you’re not saying that, then I can’t figure out what we’re disagreeing on. Because that’s all I’m saying (and what AES was saying) - Israeli atrocities, and US complicity, increases the danger to Jews (and really all Americans) worldwide, including in the US. We should oppose it because it’s wrong, but also to protect American communities. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2026, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/8325 "2026-11-02T15:03:33Z")
I honestly am surprised by how stupid you are being. Just blunt reaction hot take. And Pit. Imagine an American Israeli was in the states after October 7th, had family killed, and went and blew up a mosque in a Detroit suburb. That would have been a hate crime. Islamophobia. Full stop. Not hurt people hurt people. Connecting that hate crime to October 7th, connecting Israel being safe from attacks to keeping American Muslims safe would be … not something I could agree with you on. That would be stupid. And yes I see much of the actions by Israel after October 7th as being of that sort. So no need to hijack to that. Enough other threads there. Hate crimes are hate crimes. Attacking Asians after Covid was not hurt people hurt people and not the reason to deal with Covid. Were they connected? Sure. And anyone who responded to it with “hurt people … “ should have been reacted to how? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2026, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/8326 "2026-11-02T15:12:36Z")
They should have been criticized, and then should apologize for their very insensitive statement. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2026, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/8327 "2026-11-02T15:13:57Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > I honestly am surprised by how stupid you are being. Just blunt reaction hot take. And Pit. He isn’t being stupid, he’s being deliberately obtuse. You are not dealing with a good faith interlocuter. I admire your effort, but it is wasted. You think the wing of the party that brought us awareness of microaggressions suddenly suffers from amnesia? At this time of year? Localized entirely to topics surrounding one ethnic group? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2026, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/8328 "2026-11-02T15:18:07Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > He isn’t being stupid, he’s being deliberately obtuse. You are not dealing with a good faith interlocuter. I admire your effort, but it is wasted. Glad to see, once again, that you’re still reading my posts! How are you feeling about Iran these days? Still feel good about trusting Trump and Hegseth to start a war with no mission, no strategy, and no plan? ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2026, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/8329 "2026-11-02T15:18:09Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > They should have been criticized, and then should apologize for their very insensitive statement. And write something on the blackboard one hundred times. Yes it was very _insensitive_ to blame Asians for Covid. Those bad boys should apologize for their insensitivity. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2026, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/8330 "2026-11-02T15:18:47Z")
The Asian hate crimes were totally different and had nothing to do with “hurt people hurt people”. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2026, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/8331 "2026-11-02T15:21:51Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > I honestly am surprised by how stupid you are being. Just blunt reaction hot take. And Pit. My response - I think you’re not looking at this objectively, and may be influenced by unconscious bias against Muslims or Arabs. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2026, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/8332 "2026-11-02T15:22:58Z")
Yeah I figured that would be your vacuous go to. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2026, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/8333 "2026-11-02T15:23:48Z")
We all may have unconscious biases. I am always trying to find and eliminate my own. Best of luck to you! ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2026, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/8334 "2026-11-02T15:54:19Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I am always trying to find and eliminate my own. My very strong suspicion is that you find relatively few in yourself and those who agree with you, but, just coincidentally, huge numbers in people who you disagree with! So good luck with that too! Is this a “Bless you!” occasion? 😀 ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2026, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/8335 "2026-11-02T15:55:53Z")
I rarely even suggest anything specific. I know I probably have them and I welcome any recommendations or suggestions as to what, specifically, I might be biased about. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2026, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/8336 "2026-11-02T16:02:12Z")
Can’t y’all keep this argument constrained to a single thread? ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2026, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/8337 "2026-11-02T16:18:28Z")
Well I didn’t bring it here but honestly I think we’ve beat it to death in both threads!! Polling looks good for El-Sayed to be part of a Democratic Senate majority. Glad for that and will keep fingers crossed that my last several days swing in what I think about him are way off. (Not even sure why I got Pitted in _this_ thread? Stupid liberal idea? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2026, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/8338 "2026-11-02T16:18:47Z")
Give us a break… He can’t say I’m being stupid in the other thread! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2026, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/8339 "2026-11-02T16:19:59Z")
Look, let’s just agree that you’re _all_ equally stupid. Happy now? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2026, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/8340 "2026-11-02T16:29:30Z")
Okay… but some of us are more equal than others! ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2026, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/8341 "2026-11-02T16:34:45Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Can’t y’all keep this argument constrained to a single thread? Agreed. Maybe create a new thread where the few of you can argue amongst yourselvers? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=416) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=418)