# Stupid liberal idea of the day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 20, 2011, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086 "2011-04-20T15:35:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 419
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/8362 "2026-11-03T00:50:46Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > The Lincoln Project has lots of ads showing Republican assholes, including Carlson, disparaging Trump. Babale has never complained about those. But when El Sayed does it, it’s suddenly a problem. I wasn’t aware that Lincoln Project was a Democrat running for office. What seat is Mr. Project running for? Oh, you mean, those are ads attacking Trump in general, not using Carlson and other fascists to praise a specific Democratic candidate? Amazing, it’s almost like it’s a totally different situation! ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/8363 "2026-11-03T01:04:54Z")
You keep trying to pretend that Carlson was praising El Sayed, which isn’t true. Argue your point with honesty, if possible. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/8364 "2026-11-03T01:10:24Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > than you have ever said about the “hurt people hurting people” over in Gaza, the West Bank, Southern Lebanon, and Iran. A false statement. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/8365 "2026-11-03T01:16:19Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > You keep trying to pretend that Carlson was praising El Sayed, which isn’t true. Argue your point with honesty, if possible. It’s _very_ simple. El Sayed decided that he wanted to use Tucker Carlson’s statement about Mike Rogers in an El Sayed ad. If your brain is too smooth to grasp why that’s different than the Lincoln Project using Carlson in generic attack ads against Republicans that aren’t in favor of a specific candidate… Well, I guess my estimation of your intelligence can’t exactly drop any lower. I already find it miraculous that you remember to breath in and out. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/8366 "2026-11-03T01:19:56Z")
The difference is that Babale doesn’t like El-Sayed. Really, that’s the only difference. And if you disagree with Babale, you are stupid. When you get caught in a lie, insult people! ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/8367 "2026-11-03T01:20:46Z")
And what lie do you think I was caught in? Did El Sayed not use Tucker’s statement in his own ad? ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/8368 "2026-11-03T01:23:30Z")
El Sayed used Carlson quotes to talk smack about Rogers. The Lincoln Project used Carlson quotes to talk smack about Trump. I can assess the strength of your argument by how deeply you must lean into insults. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/8369 "2026-11-03T01:28:13Z")
You said that Tucker was praising El-Sayed. That is a lie. It just is. He didn’t. For context, back in 2016 I didn’t like either Clinton or Trump, and didn’t vote for either. (In retrospect I should definitely have voted for Clinton, but hindsight is 20/20.) I voted 3rd party. At the time I said I would never support Trump. If someone concluded that I was then a Clinton supporter, they’d be wrong because I wasn’t. (Again, I wish I had been back then, but I was convinced she wasn’t trustworthy.) I voted Libertarian, which might as well have just been leaving my vote blank at that point. You claimed repeatedly that Carlson was praising El-Sayed by saying he’d never vote for Rogers, which is false. It was pointed out, but you just keep repeating it. It would be one thing if you were wrong and moved on, but no. I don’t know why you keep saying it’s true when it objectively isn’t. What’s weird is, other conservatives _did_ praise El-Sayed, and they were featured in the ad. Such as Lara Trump and Jesse Waters. Carlson instead just said he wouldn’t vote for Rogers. Also missing is that this ad was specifically targeting conservatives, and only aired on Fox News and Newsmax. It was an attempt to get some folks on the right to potentially vote for him. I’m not sure how effective it was, but that was the whole point of the ad. His own campaign site talks about it. > **[NEW AD: Abdul For Senate Launches Ad Blitz Targeting Trump Voters On Fox News...](https://abdulforsenate.com/2026/10/new-ad-abdul-for-senate-launches-ad-blitz-targeting-trump-voters-on-fox-news-and-newsmax/)** > > Get the latest news about Abdul El-Sayed campaign for US Senate. It’s an interesting discussion, but it’s a discussion you can’t have without the actual truth, or facts. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/8370 "2026-11-03T01:30:08Z")
You are such a turd sometimes most of the time? I _said_ I didn’t see that commercial. As a matter of fact I’ve still not seen it. Do you have an issue understanding written English? Because I did not say that the commercial does not exist. It was commentary about the ubiquitis amounts of political adds. My not seeing it does not mean it exists or doesn’t exist. FFS get over yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/8371 "2026-11-03T01:31:15Z")
> [@Sylvanz](#): > > I _said_ I didn’t see that commercial. As a matter of fact I’ve still not seen it. You wouldn’t have unless you watch right wing news. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/8372 "2026-11-03T01:37:36Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > A false statement. …if you truly believed that Israel were waging a genocidal campaign against Palestinians in Gaza then “hurt people hurt people” would be entirely uncontroversial. It isn’t a defence of hurt people hurting people. It’s just something that _hurt people often do_. On these boards it was pretty commonly accepted, including by myself at the time, that Israel had a right to defend itself and a right to respond to Hamas atrocities on October 7. But Israel crossed that line the moment they ordered the evacuation of northern Gaza. _Hurt people hurt_. You get it now, right? So I stand by what I said. If you want to condemn the genocide being committed by Israel in Gaza, the ethnic cleansing taking place right now in the West Bank and Southern Lebanon, the deliberate targeting of civilians like nuclear scientists and politicians in Iran, if you want to make your position absolutely crystal clear, then now’s your chance. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/8373 "2026-11-03T01:41:10Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > El Sayed used Carlson quotes to talk smack about Rogers. In an ad _about El Sayed_. > [@TroutMan](#): > > The Lincoln Project used Carlson quotes to talk smack about Trump. In an ad _about Donald Trump_. I genuinely cannot tell if you’re _actually_ so stupid that you don’t see the difference, or if you are being deliberately obtuse to defend El Sayed. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/8374 "2026-11-03T01:42:40Z")
Why am I not surprised that you misquote the commercial and obstinately misunderstand the context? It’s a good commercial. _ **I** _ despise all of those fox bobble heads, but some republicans that may be reached don’t.. Duh ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/8375 "2026-11-03T01:51:20Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I genuinely cannot tell if you’re _actually_ so stupid that you don’t see the difference, or if you are being deliberately obtuse to defend El Sayed. Well, I genuinely _can_ tell why you refuse to admit the obvious parallels between the ads and the difference in your reaction to both. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/8376 "2026-11-03T01:54:20Z")
> [@Sylvanz](#): > > Why am I not surprised that you misquote the commercial and obstinately misunderstand the context? 🙄 yeah, right. I’m not misunderstanding anything. _Why_ would Tucker Carlson say that he wouldn’t vote for Mike Rogers with a gun to his head? Because of Israel. Why is El Sayed playing that clip? Because he wants people to understand that this is his position on Israel. If Mike Rogers supporter Medicare covering gender reassignment surgery, and Abdul El Sayed did not, and _as a result of this policy difference_ Tucker Carlson said that he wouldn’t vote for Mike Rogers if a gun was held to his head, and then El Sayed played ads of that comment, we wouldn’t be debating whether or not this was a way to signal an anti-Trans position. We’d be rightly condemning it as transphobic. But we all know this. None of this bullshit hand wringhing is genuine. What it comes down to is that YOU MOTHERFUCKERS AGREE WITH TUCKER CARLSON ABOUT ISRAEL. You don’t see a problem with signaling ageement with him. That’s it. It’s not mysterious at all. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/8377 "2026-11-03T01:54:50Z")
I just read that above while _ **seeing the commercial for the first time** _ and I decidedly do not watch fox or newsmax. Yuk ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/8378 "2026-11-03T01:57:19Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > And what I don’t understand, and what I will _never_ understand, is that in the three years since Israel began their genocidal campaign in Gaza along with their wider expansionist plans in the Middle East, you’ve said more about Abdul El-Sayed than you have ever said about the “hurt people hurting people” over in Gaza, the West Bank, Southern Lebanon, and Iran. > [@DSeid](#): > > A false statement. I mean, in the two most recent Gaza/Israel threads, totalling over 3,000 messages, there isn’t a single post by you. Not one by me either, tbf. Also, just four messages in the original discussion: > [@Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/2): > > The Washington Post spins US involvement as deterring wider Mideast conflict. Certainly true in the sense that at this point it’s a “don’t do anything or else” message to Iran or any other external antagonist. But as this settles out, with US citizens among those mudered and direct Iranian involvement, what are the chances that the way this plays out is that we hit Iran, perhaps even with the endorsement of other ME nations? None in the breaking news thread: > [@Hamas attacks Israel, October 2023](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234): > > Hamas claims to have captured some soldiers. From the article: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said “we are at war, and we will win it” as the country’s air force began striking Hamas targets in Gaza on Saturday, in response to a surprise assault on the 50th anniversary of the start of the 1973 Yom Kippur war. Hamas militants infiltrated Israeli territory from the Gaza Strip — including by paraglider and over the sea — and launched more than 2,200 rockets, Israeli military leaders … I mean, I think the numbers speak for themselves. You do have a lot of posts in an antisemitism discussion, but that is only tangentially related to the Gaza/Israel debate and not about Gaza/Israel. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/8379 "2026-11-03T01:57:45Z")
Ah, it is a pattern I’ve noticed. If you don’t agree with everything that comes from Babale on high, you are stupid, idiotic, brain dead, smooth brained, etc. etc. etc. I’d noticed this in the past and now I see I’m not the only one. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/8380 "2026-11-03T01:57:59Z")
> [@Sylvanz](#): > > Yuk Quoted for truth. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/8381 "2026-11-03T01:59:01Z")
Fair enough, I oweFair enough, I owe @TroutMan an apology. He clearly isn’t stupid, he’s just in the same exact camp is Tucker Carlson. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=418) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=420)