# Stupid liberal idea of the day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 20, 2011, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086 "2011-04-20T15:35:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 59
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1161 "2013-07-30T00:51:40Z")
> [@bup](#): > > It’s neat that you argue things while acknowledging you don’t know about them. > > [Hospitals are required to provide emergency care to anybody, regardless of their ability to pay.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and_Active_Labor_Act) > > Do you not believe that the costs are being passed on to you when you receive medical services? Did you read your own cite? Especially the parts about it being only truly emergency care, and EMTALA applies to “participating hospitals.”? ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1162 "2013-07-30T00:52:53Z")
> [@rogerbox](#): > > I remember you saying you don’t work, so no. One thing has nothing to do with the other. I pay a lot of tax. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1163 "2013-07-30T01:09:20Z")
> [@Oldeb](#): > > Out of morbid curiosity, what’s your take on how Romneycare works? Keeping in mind that Romneycare (aka the Massachusetts Health Care Insurance Reform Law) was once promoted by the Republican party and signed into law by a Republican governor seven years ago? Looking at Wiki, it looks a lot like what you all are saying here that Obamacare has become, and that it didn’t work that well but cost quite a bit of money, a goodly amount from the feds. As an aside, despite the title of this thread, I am neither a liberal nor conservative. Not a Democrat nor a Republican. > [@kaylasdad99](#): > > No, you weren’t. > > I’m not actively accusing you of lying, but nobody _gave_ you to understand that. Uh, OK, sorry to use an antique phrase there. How about “I understood from what had been said previously in the Pit that Obamacare was patterned after an overseas health care system such as the NHS”. Better? > [@](#): > > It’s difficult to imagine how anyone paying the slightest degree of attention could have come to that perception, absent a great deal of wishful thinking. Zero wishful thinking since I think the NHS is awful. Perhaps Obamacare, or what was prior to that, was going to be patterned after it, or I am remembering a post from someone who wanted it to be that way, or someone with bad info. It’s not like me not knowing the details of OC is going to crash us into the sun or something. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1164 "2013-07-30T01:10:44Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Did you read your own cite? Especially the parts about it being only truly emergency care, and EMTALA applies to “participating hospitals.”? Name one hospital with an emergency room that is not a ‘participating hospital’. They are exceedingly rare. If they take Medicare or Medicaid patients, they are participating. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1165 "2013-07-30T01:33:46Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Did you read your own cite? Especially the parts about it being only truly emergency care, and EMTALA applies to “participating hospitals.”? Yes, I did. But to understand it, you have to read _the whole article_. If you go to a hospital in the US that is not a Shriner’s, Indian Health Service, or Veteran’s Affairs (_citation needed_), it’s a participating hospital. Did you know that the drinking age is mandated to be 21 only in states that \*participate \*in receiving federal highway funds? So 18-20 year olds can always go to states where they don’t do that! ---
**Author:** ![3trew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/13edae/32.png) [@3trew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/3trew)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1166 "2013-07-30T05:20:47Z")
> [@bup](#): > > Did you know that the drinking age is mandated to be 21 only in states that \*participate \*in receiving federal highway funds? So 18-20 year olds can always go to states where they don’t do that! PLEASE NOTE THAT ALL OF THEM DO THAT. ALL OF THE STATES. ALL. IT WAS SIGNED INTO LAW BY REAGAN. RONALD REAGAN. THE REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT RONALD REAGAN. YES, HE WAS SO A REPUBLICAN. Those of you who are not **curlcoat** probably knew all of that and can ignore this message. Now that the facts have been yelled at her we should only have to deal with a few instances of her not quite getting the idea that a Republican signed a law, that it was sponsored by a Democrat, and that states actually agreed to follow it. Oh who am I kidding, but, y’know, I just had to try one more time. The coin has to end up on its edge eventually. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1167 "2013-07-30T06:21:40Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Name one hospital with an emergency room that is not a ‘participating hospital’. They are exceedingly rare. If they take Medicare or Medicaid patients, they are participating. I don’t think any of the local ones take Medicaid patients but then I haven’t been to all of them. But this is kind of turning into a strawman - how many people is the average hospital going to get who are there with a qualifying emergency, but don’t have any sort of coverage? That was the original claim, that it costs the taxpayer more to fund emergencies for those without money or insurance, than to give them all coverage. > [@3trew](#): > > PLEASE NOTE THAT ALL OF THEM DO THAT. > > ALL OF THE STATES. ALL. > > IT WAS SIGNED INTO LAW BY REAGAN. > > RONALD REAGAN. > > THE REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT RONALD REAGAN. > > YES, HE WAS SO A REPUBLICAN. > > Those of you who are not **curlcoat** probably knew all of that and can ignore this message. Now that the facts have been yelled at her we should only have to deal with a few instances of her not quite getting the idea that a Republican signed a law, that it was sponsored by a Democrat, and that states actually agreed to follow it. Again, whether something was sponsored or signed into law or whatever by a Republican or a Democrat is for me immaterial since I am neither. I haven’t yelled this - is that what is necessary for you to see and understand it? ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1168 "2013-07-30T13:22:22Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Yeah, yeah. Don’t try to tell us it’s the first thing you ever had rammed down your throat, nor that you ever before thought it was **not** a good idea. > > I’m talking about the economic policies of previous Republican administrations, **of course.** BG, thanks for serving as a classic example of liberal stupidity in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1169 "2013-07-30T14:00:40Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > I don’t think any of the local ones take Medicaid patients but then I haven’t been to all of them. But this is kind of turning into a strawman - how many people is the average hospital going to get who are there with a qualifying emergency, but don’t have any sort of coverage? That was the original claim, that it costs the taxpayer more to fund emergencies for those without money or insurance, than to give them all coverage. > > Again, whether something was sponsored or signed into law or whatever by a Republican or a Democrat is for me immaterial since I am neither. I haven’t yelled this - is that what is necessary for you to see and understand it? Given the period of 2010-2012 seems to have slipped from your mind, chances are good the 80’s are long gone as well. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1170 "2013-07-30T14:25:24Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > I don’t think any of the local ones take Medicaid patients but then I haven’t been to all of them. Not just Medicaid, any CMS reimbursement - meaning Medicare too. There are essentially no public hospitals in the US which do not accept Medicare. The Shriners Hospitals are now participating because their endowment isn’t big enough to provide all care for free anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1171 "2013-07-30T17:26:21Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > BG, thanks for serving as a classic example of liberal stupidity in this thread. You really are astonishingly oblivious as to how far [your head is shoved up your ass](http://www.ohchristwhatnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/headupass.JPG). Some say you can see your own tonsils, and have almost collected the brains to count how many you have. Good luck. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1172 "2013-07-30T17:31:41Z")
There’s a [sorcerous tortoise](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clothahump) in some nearby universe shaking his head and muttering, “Is that asshole STILL using my name? I need to find an interdimensional lawyer…” ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2013, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1173 "2013-08-27T13:25:33Z")
Liberals are often accused of being “pro-crime”. Usually, this charge is a canard. [Usually](http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2013/08/marijuana_armored_truck_ban_dea.php)… > [@](#): > > Medical marijuana is legal in California, but the combination of valuable drugs and what is often a cash-only business can attract some rough characters. > > That’s why some dispensaries use armored car companies to get their money to and from their favorite bank (or elsewhere). But the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration says no more. The federal authority has told armored car companies they can no longer work with some, perhaps all, cannabis retailers in California and Colorado… ---
**Author:** ![aNewLeaf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@aNewLeaf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aNewLeaf)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2013, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1174 "2013-08-27T13:52:40Z")
> [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > That may be the law, but hospitals work hard not to comply by transferring non paying customers away or creating long wait times. That’s very, very, illegal and if you can prove it happens you should report it. …not saying it doesn’t happen, just that you should report it if you see it. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2013, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1175 "2013-08-27T14:08:46Z")
> [@aNewLeaf](#): > > That’s very, very, illegal and if you can prove it happens you should report it. > > …not saying it doesn’t happen, just that you should report it if you see it. It’s certainly not illegal for hospitals to discharge or otherwise get rid of non-paying customers, if they are medically stable. We can perhaps debate the definition of “stable”, but in general if they’re not in danger of short-term death due to the lack of medical treatment, they can be put out on the street. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2013, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1176 "2013-08-27T14:33:44Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > Liberals are often accused of being “pro-crime”. Usually, this charge is a canard. [Usually](http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2013/08/marijuana_armored_truck_ban_dea.php)… Admittedly it is a dumb idea, and is sponsored by the Obama administration which some would call liberal, but I kind of doubt that conservatives will take the pot sellers side of things. So I’m not sure we can count it as a stupid liberal idea. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1177 "2013-10-02T01:55:01Z")
Well, it seems the jackoffs in the Senate have done it again. It’s not just that they haven’t passed a budget bill since 2009; that’s irresponsible enough. But it looks that they are apparently doing it deliberately so that they can cause these continual budget crises, then sit back and blame the Republicans for them. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1178 "2013-10-02T02:02:00Z")
This is performance art, right Clothy? I mean, even you can’t be dumb enough to believe what you just typed, can you? ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1179 "2013-10-02T02:13:46Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > It’s not just that they haven’t passed a budget bill since 2009… Pure comedy gold, as usual! Actually, [Harry Reid has been trying to get a conference committee going for months to deal with the budget impasse](http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/05/07/ted-cruz-the-schoolyard-bully/?_r=0). The Republicans keep refusing. Until last night, at the last minute. Yeah, it’s pretty clear who the jackoffs are in this situation. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1180 "2013-10-02T02:23:38Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Well, it seems the jackoffs in the Senate have done it again. It’s not just that they haven’t passed a budget bill since 2009; that’s irresponsible enough. You have been misinformed, again: > **[Senate Passes $3.7 Trillion Budget, Setting Up Contentious Negotiations...](https://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/24/us/politics/senate-passes-3-7-trillion-budget-its-first-in-4-years.html)** > > The 50-to-49 vote early Saturday sets up contentious — and potentially fruitless — negotiations with the Republican-dominated House to reconcile two vastly different visions for dealing with America’s economic and budgetary problems. > [@](#): > > After an all-night debate that ended just before 5 a.m., the Senate on Saturday adopted its first budget in four years, a $3.7 trillion blueprint for 2014 that would provide a fast track for passage of tax increases, trim spending modestly and leave the government still deeply in the red a decade from now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=58) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=60)