# Stupid liberal idea of the day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 20, 2011, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086 "2011-04-20T15:35:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 77
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2013, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1521 "2013-12-05T23:06:21Z")
Obama just delivered a speech-he wants US military bases to raise their use of “renewable” energy from 7% of consumption to 23%. great-you know what this means: -huge contracts for solar cell arrays (made in China) -subsidies for battery mfgs. -higher costs for the US taxpayers Its just another kickback scheme, to reward his campaign “bundlers”-who own these bust out firms. After spending billions, the solar arrays will be abandoned, and another few billion $$ added to the national debt. But as long as we can keep printing money, who cares? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2013, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1522 "2013-12-05T23:13:29Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > great-you know what this means: I have little faith you know what this means. When you find a cite, we’ll talk. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2013, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1523 "2013-12-05T23:37:13Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > Obama just delivered a speech-he wants US military bases to raise their use of “renewable” energy from 7% of consumption to 23%. > great-you know what this means: > -huge contracts for solar cell arrays (made in China) > -subsidies for battery mfgs. > -higher costs for the US taxpayers > Its just another kickback scheme, to reward his campaign “bundlers”-who own these bust out firms. After spending billions, the solar arrays will be abandoned, and another few billion $$ added to the national debt. > But as long as we can keep printing money, who cares? You keep plugging away there. After all, [your last effort](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=655953) to “analyze” the economics of renewable energy went so well. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2013, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1524 "2013-12-05T23:55:33Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > Obama just delivered a speech-he wants US military bases to raise their use of “renewable” energy from 7% of consumption to 23%. 1. It wasn’t a speech, it was a memorandum (available [here](http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/12/05/presidential-memorandum-federal-leadership-energy-management)). 2. It wasn’t aimed at simply at the military; it was aimed at all federal agencies. 3. The target is 20% (not 23%) by the year 2020 As usual, **ralph124c** ’s words:errors ratio is comfortably in single digits. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1525 "2013-12-06T01:06:48Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > Obama … great-you know what this means: > … -huge … (made in China) … -subsidies … … -higher costs for the US taxpayers > Its just another kickback scheme, to reward his campaign “bundlers”- … bust out firms. After spending billions, … abandoned, … billion $$ added to the national debt. > … printing money, who cares? Thanks for your input, Ralph. 😛 But in future please just post your stupid ideas directly to the Stupid Republican Ideas thread. Thanks in advance. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Frostillicus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Frostillicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frostillicus)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2013, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1526 "2013-12-07T14:17:30Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Dude, you have Feinstein, Pelosi, Obama and a pack of others. Pot, meet Kettle. And yet your 1500 post thread has zero examples of stupid liberal ideas by any of the people you mentioned. That’s odd. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2013, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1527 "2013-12-07T20:58:46Z")
> [@Frostillicus](#): > > And yet your 1500 post thread has zero examples of stupid liberal ideas by any of the people you mentioned. That’s odd. 😕 Ever heard of Obamacare? Ever heard of Cash for Clunkers? Ever heard of Big-ass Bailouts? Apparently not. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2013, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1528 "2013-12-07T21:02:05Z")
“Big-ass Bailouts?” Actually, no, but WBAGNFARB. You mean keeping GM and Chrysler solvent? You mean the bailouts that actually returned a net profit to the Treasury? And mostly started under Bush, if I recall correctly? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2013, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1529 "2013-12-07T21:03:45Z")
And Obamacare is a conservative program, also- it’s quite close to Romneycare and the Bob Dole plan from the 90s. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2013, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1530 "2013-12-07T21:10:32Z")
Or maybe you meant TARP. Here ya go, Dipshit: > **[More Americans think Obama, Not Bush, Enacted Bank Bailouts, Poll Shows](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-americans-think-obama-not-bush-enacted-bank-bailouts-poll-shows/)** > > A Pew Research Center Survey Shows Nearly Half of Americans Incorrectly Believe President Obama Started the Troubled Asset Relief Program ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2013, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1531 "2013-12-07T21:11:33Z")
ACA is essentially, as I understand it, the Heritage Foundation plan. Those notorious liberals… ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2013, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1532 "2013-12-07T21:17:24Z")
[Car Allowance Rebate System - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_Allowance_Rebate_System). My main point: “…The House approved the creation of a cash-for-clunkers program with the 298 to 119 passage of the CARS Act (“Consumer Assistance to Recycle and Save Act”, H.R. 1550). The House bill, sponsored by Rep. Betty Sutton (D-Ohio), allowed consumers to trade in vehicles with a combined fuel economy of 18 or less for new, more efficient vehicles.[23] In the Senate, Debbie Stabenow (D-Michigan) and Sam Brownback (R-Kansas) sponsored a bill very similar to the House’s. An alternative bill proposed by Dianne Feinstein (D-California), Susan Collins (R-Maine), and Charles Schumer (D-New York) would have had a greater focus on increasing fuel economy.” notice the bipartisan nature of the sponsors, idjit? You are 0 for 3 in your attempt to cite specific stupid liberal ideas. Heckuva job, **Clothy**! ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2013, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1533 "2013-12-08T00:09:16Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Ever heard of Obamacare? Ever heard of Cash for Clunkers? Ever heard of Big-ass Bailouts? Apparently not. See, out of those, one is chugging along quite nicely, one is hard to count as liberal _or_ a failure, and one was implemented under a conservative regime and is regarded in economic circles as a success. You know, I could easily go into the SRIotD thread and start saying literally anything any conservative has supported. I could say something like, oh… > [@](#): > > Ever heard of Romneycare? Ever heard of Reaganomics? Ever heard of the end of communism in russia? Apparently not. But of course, in that thread, for some reason, people expect to be shown that: a) It’s a stupid idea b) It’s a republican idea c) It’s an actual coherent thought, as opposed to, say, “Big-ass Bailouts” which could refer to any number of bills since the turn of the century. …In this thread, those things are somehow waived. Ah well, republicans and evidence never got along that well anyways. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2013, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1534 "2013-12-08T01:23:28Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > And Obamacare is a conservative program, also- it’s quite close to Romneycare and the Bob Dole plan from the 90s. Although you could make a case that it was stupid (or at least naive) of Obama to think that just because he was adopting the Republicans’ health care plan that they would then actually vote for it. ---
**Author:** ![Iamnotivan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Iamnotivan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iamnotivan)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2013, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1535 "2013-12-09T22:40:35Z")
In Ontario, Canada, the so-called Education Ministry determined that high school math scores are poor and declining. Believe it or not, the Minister (a woman), actually decided that this could be corrected best by giving math teachers another day off with pay, in their words, hoping that teachers would use the extra day to improve their skills. This is the same Liberal govt that paid $1B to build a gas energy plant, then canceled it in order to win a majority in the election (worked), so we fully paid for a plant that was not built and will not be built. But the public will complain wildly about govt spending and then participate. The same Liberal govt won a previous election by promising to create a new holiday in February - Family day. The public loved it, took, and now it costs at least $1 B. annually in extra costs to the govt., and to businesses, not to mention the huge decline in productivity province wide. By the way, this is a province in which the core religion for many people is their obsession that Canada and Canadians are sooooo superior to Americans and the U.S. govt. Right. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2013, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1536 "2013-12-09T22:45:27Z")
> [@Iamnotivan](#): > > In Ontario, Canada, the so-called Education Ministry determined that high school math scores are poor and declining. Believe it or not, the Minister (a woman), actually decided that this could be corrected best by giving math teachers another day off with pay, in their words, hoping that teachers would use the extra day to improve their skills. Those women! They’re just so irrational. No way a man would ever have done anything like this! ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2013, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1537 "2013-12-09T23:20:53Z")
> [@Iamnotivan](#): > > This is the same Liberal govt that paid $1B to build a gas energy plant, then canceled it in order to win a majority in the election (worked), so we fully paid for a plant that was not built and will not be built. And what was the platform of Hudak’s Conservatives about the power plant? Oh… It turns out that if they won the election, [they would have done exactly the same thing](http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hudak-vows-to-scrap-mississauga-power-plant-1.991357). So I guess it was not a stupid liberal idea after all, eh? How’s that revisionist history thing working out for you? ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2013, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1538 "2013-12-10T01:28:49Z")
As for Obamacare being a “stupid liberal idea,” the intellectually honest person would need to break this down into specifics. The [Affordable Care Act](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act) is a large omnibus bill with many components, a significant number of which coming _directly_ from conservative sources or, frankly, from the heath care industry itself. It’s hard for me to believe that the intellectually honest conservative could really say that every single component of the ACA is stupid. The mandate to purchase insurance? Oh yes. That’s originally _a conservative idea_. Of course it’s also now the main portion of the ACA that conservatives are incensed about, other than the usual idiotic bashing lacking any specific criticism, which is the best you get from the likes of **Clothahump**. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2013, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1539 "2013-12-12T13:11:20Z")
While I wouldn’t say she a Liberal (she would not have been elected from Chatham County otherwise), first term Democratic State Representative Deborah H. McManus has been [charged with embezzling $47,000](http://www.wect.com/story/24198495/nc-lawmaker-resigns-after-arrest-on-embezzlement-charges) from the medical practice she was keeping the books for. I just want to thank her for perpetuating the stereotype that Eastern Democrats are all crooked. This is for you, Deb: ```auto …………………………./´¯/) …………………..,/¯./ ……………………./…./ …………./´¯/…’/´¯¯`·¸ ……./’/…/…./……./¨¯\ ..(‘('…´…. ¯~/’…’) ………\………………..’…../ ….”…\…………. _.·´ ……………\………..( …………..\………….\… ``` ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2013, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1540 "2013-12-12T14:50:44Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Those women! They’re just so irrational. No way a man would ever have done anything like this! Assuming it’s true, it’s definitely a stupid idea, but I am also curious as to why it signifies that the Minister is a woman. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=76) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=78)