# Stupid liberal idea of the day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 20, 2011, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086 "2011-04-20T15:35:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 83
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2014, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1641 "2014-04-03T03:14:52Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Madison didn’t write that. It is from the _Annals of Congress_, House of Representatives, 3rd Congress, 1st Session, [page 170.](http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llac&fileName=004/llac004.db&recNum=82)The \*Annals \*summarize speeches in the third person, and as such do not represent direct quotes. > > Swing and a miss. Another example of liberal stupidity. Did it never occur to you that if the Annals reports it in the third person, he said it in the first person? Nah, that would require you to, ya know, think. As reported in the Annals: > [@](#): > > Mr. Madison wished to relieve the sufferers, **but was afraid of establishing a dangerous precedent, which might hereafter be perverted to the countenance of purposes very different from those of charity**. He acknowledged, for his own part, that he could not undertake to lay his finger on that article in the Federal Constitution which granted a right of Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." Please note the highlighted section. Madison was dead on target. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2014, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1642 "2014-04-03T03:16:24Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Clothy, you’re delusional. Honestly, the things you believe are simply not true. You’re twisted in anger and hate because you believe things are happening that simply aren’t. > > It’s pathetic. You deserve to have a better life. I love it when twits like you appoint themselves experts on my life. You are so far wrong that you’re not even in the same zip code with right. Deal with it. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2014, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1643 "2014-04-03T04:41:38Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > I love it when twits like you appoint themselves experts on my life. You kinda strike me as a guy one court decision from a conservator. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2014, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1644 "2014-04-03T06:29:42Z")
Assuming that somebody cared that much. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2014, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1645 "2014-04-03T07:03:25Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Please note the highlighted section. Madison was dead on target. In what way(s) is universal healthcare a “purpose much different from those of charity”, pray tell goon sir ? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2014, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1646 "2014-04-03T14:41:01Z")
Charity is voluntary, engaged in by private citizens, and done with one’s own money. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2014, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1647 "2014-04-03T17:15:06Z")
Yeah, we formed a more perfect union in order to facilitate the spaghetti dinners needed to pay for people’s kidney transplants. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2014, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1648 "2014-04-03T17:21:57Z")
Shhhhh! Don’t say “union” around **Clothy**. You know how it makes his kind react. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2014, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1649 "2014-04-03T17:23:28Z")
Can **Humpy** ’s stupidity be measured in megashodans, or does the needle simply go off the scale? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2014, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1650 "2014-04-03T17:26:41Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Charity is voluntary, engaged in by private citizens, and done with one’s own money. > > Regards, > Shodan Nevertheless Madison, properly or improperly, was applying the word to government relief; therefore, that is what it means or can mean within the context of this discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2014, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1651 "2014-04-03T17:28:59Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > I love it when twits like you appoint themselves experts on my life. You are so far wrong that you’re not even in the same zip code with right. Deal with it. Am I wrong? You consistently repeat things that aren’t true, and are one of the most venom-filled posters in political threads. I’m not saying liberals are perfect, but because all the info you receive is so twisted, you think they’re trying to destroy the country. I know people just like you, trapped in caustic rage because they think that Obama is trying to confiscate guns or Hillary laughed while Americans were murdered in Benghazi. Those things aren’t real. Your guns are mostly safe, and Benghazi isn’t a real scandal. It was an attack, that even house Republicans have, in their investigation, found no nefarious wrongdoing. Yet every night some blowhard on your radio or television will mention Benghazi in a list of other pretend travesties and it is kept alive in your mind. Like I say, I don’t think you’re that bad a dude. You work with kids, you love your wife. But because of this cloud of hate you act like a jerk. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2014, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1652 "2014-04-03T18:49:03Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Shhhhh! Don’t say “union” around **Clothy**. You know how it makes his kind react. Union. Union. Union. Union. Union. Union. 😃 Holy crap! Look at that vein _throb_. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2014, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1653 "2014-04-03T19:35:55Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Charity is voluntary, engaged in by private citizens, and done with one’s own money. > > Regards, > Shodan But the question was not “Is Universal Healthcare charity?” It was “does Universal Healthcare and charity serve the same purposes?” and yes, they do providing a basic standard of care to those who cannot afford it. It is just the Universal Healthcare is applied with more success and with less bias than charity ever could. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2014, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1654 "2014-04-03T19:49:38Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Holy crap! Look at that vein _throb_. :eek: Ew. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2014, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1655 "2014-04-03T19:59:46Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > But because of this cloud of hate you act like a jerk. As opposed to the gentle bonhomie, intimate back-scratches, and long walks on the beach at sunset that you treat me to, **Lobohan**. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2014, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1656 "2014-04-03T20:24:13Z")
Stop persecuting Bricker, Lobohan. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2014, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1657 "2014-04-03T23:03:21Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > As opposed to the gentle bonhomie, intimate back-scratches, and long walks on the beach at sunset that you treat me to, **Lobohan**. Boy, you call a guy \*cumpig \*once, and you can never live it down. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1658 "2014-04-04T23:27:07Z")
[CONGRESSMAN (Jim Moran, D-Va.): ‘Members Of Congress Are Underpaid’](http://www.businessinsider.com/congress-underpaid-2014-4) Oh, _are_ you now? You make $174,000 for a _part-time job_, so STFU with that crap. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1659 "2014-04-04T23:40:35Z")
I can sort-of see his point, though - there are expenses involved in having to maintain a residence in/around Washington in addition to the home district. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2014, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1660 "2014-04-05T00:02:57Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I can sort-of see his point, though - there are expenses involved in having to maintain a residence in/around Washington in addition to the home district. I think we should put them all in dormitories and save them the expense. The Constitution doesn’t require them to have a Georgetown brownstone. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=82) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=84)