# Stupid liberal idea of the day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 20, 2011, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086 "2011-04-20T15:35:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 92
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2014, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1821 "2014-06-09T23:56:06Z")
The thinking has already been done. Repeating the process would simply be inefficient. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2014, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1822 "2014-06-10T00:15:56Z")
“Thinking” needs to be qualified. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2014, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1823 "2014-06-10T00:18:08Z")
Perhaps, “processing” is more appropriate. “Digesting”, even more so, considering the end result. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2014, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1824 "2014-06-10T00:29:53Z")
The public thinks the PResident made a mistake by trading for Bergdahl. Veterans are overwhelmingly negative towards the deal: [http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/06/09/poll\_43\_percent\_say\_obama\_erred\_in\_bergdahl\_deal\_122914.html](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/06/09/poll_43_percent_say_obama_erred_in_bergdahl_deal_122914.html) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2014, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1825 "2014-06-10T01:35:11Z")
Your post insinuates a uniformity of opinion that your cite does not support. While it is true that more people think the exchange was a bad idea than otherwise (43% to 34%), with a big chunk uncertain (23%), that hardly supports saying “the public thinks…”. Nonetheless, I would be remiss if I didn’t congratulate your citation upgrade from _Washington Times_ to _RealClear Politics_. As sources for tighty righty glurge, it is definitely a positive move, in much the same way that smallpox is an improvement over cholera. We must remember to be positive and affirmative as we encourage you as you stumble from the path of political error. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2014, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1826 "2014-06-10T04:13:11Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The public thinks the PResident made a mistake by trading for Bergdahl. Veterans are overwhelmingly negative towards the deal: > > [Poll: 43 Percent Say Obama Erred in Bergdahl Deal | RealClearPolitics](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/06/09/poll_43_percent_say_obama_erred_in_bergdahl_deal_122914.html) And how many of these were eyewitnesses to the events in question? Now, if you want to insist that facts are something people get to vote on, I’d be more than willing to start a poll to see exactly how low an I.Q. you really have. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2014, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1827 "2014-06-10T04:54:50Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > And how many of these were eyewitnesses to the events in question? Now, if you want to insist that facts are something people get to vote on, I’d be more than willing to start a poll to see exactly how low an I.Q. you really have. I’d like to open the bidding at 75. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2014, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1828 "2014-06-10T05:13:06Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > I’d like to open the bidding at 75. You are WAY generous. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2014, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1829 "2014-06-10T13:03:15Z")
[QUOTE=silenus] I’d like to open the bidding at 75. [/QUOTE] > [@jayjay](#): > > You are WAY generous. Seems low, actually. After all, **adaher** is capable of writing coherent and grammatically correct sentences. The problem is that while he has a reasonably decent brain, he turns it off when it comes to politics. Perhaps, like Mrs. Richards, he’s worried about running down the batteries. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2014, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1830 "2014-06-10T13:07:48Z")
Yes, like with GWB, the problem isn’t that he’s stupid, it’s that he’s _lazy_. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2014, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1831 "2014-06-10T13:12:51Z")
The President is demonstrating his usual class again: Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel – not President Obama – executed the administration’s final call to proceed with the prisoner exchange of five ranking Taliban detainees for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, administration officials told Congress today in a classified briefing today. “They indicated [it was] Secretary Hagel [who made the final call],” House Armed Services Chairman Buck McKeon, R-California, told reporters following the briefing Monday evening. “It was the president of the United States that came out [in the Rose Garden] with the Bergdahls and took all the credit and now that there’s been a little pushback he’s moving away from it and it’s Secretary Hagel?” > **[Hagel Made Final Call on Bergdahl Swap, Congress Told](https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/06/hagel-made-final-call-on-bergdahl-swap-congress-told/)** > > Officials said 80 to 90 people in the administration knew of plans for the swap. The buck always stops below him. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2014, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1832 "2014-06-10T13:20:57Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The President is demonstrating his usual class again: > > Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel – not President Obama – executed the administration’s final call to proceed with the prisoner exchange of five ranking Taliban detainees for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, administration officials told Congress today in a classified briefing today. > > “They indicated [it was] Secretary Hagel [who made the final call],” House Armed Services Chairman Buck McKeon, R-California, told reporters following the briefing Monday evening. “It was the president of the United States that came out [in the Rose Garden] with the Bergdahls and took all the credit and now that there’s been a little pushback he’s moving away from it and it’s Secretary Hagel?” > > [Hagel Made Final Call on Bergdahl Swap, Congress Told - ABC News](http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/06/hagel-made-final-call-on-bergdahl-swap-congress-told/) > > The buck always stops below him. Says Buck McKeon, most widely known for receiving a special VIP loan rate from Countrywide Financial. Why do you bother posting this stuff as if it’s anything more than political blather and spin of the highest order? Please stop posting Hannity news alerts. It’s pathetic, and getting more and more tiresome. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2014, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1833 "2014-06-10T13:27:20Z")
I’m glad to hear your assurance that no matter what happens in the Bergdahl saga, the President will not try to pin it on an underling. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2014, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1834 "2014-06-10T13:36:58Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I’m glad to hear your assurance that no matter what happens in the Bergdahl saga, the President will not try to pin it on an underling. Your mind truly works in mysterious ways. Like most of your conclusions, I have absolutely no idea how you came to this one. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2014, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1835 "2014-06-10T13:39:46Z")
Did Hagel disagree? Did anyone? The stench of desperation is in the air, as the Pubbies flail about looking for an issue to run on. The ACA isn’t all that popular, sure, but its not like the nation is seething with rage and chomping at the bit to go vote against it. Benghazi? (Yawn). They need a Level One outrage and they need it yesterday. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2014, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1836 "2014-06-10T13:47:18Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Your mind truly works Objection, your honor! Assumes facts not in evidence. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2014, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1837 "2014-06-10T13:51:58Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Your mind truly works in mysterious ways. Like most of your conclusions, I have absolutely no idea how you came to this one. You dispute that the President is trying to fob this off on Hagel. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2014, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1838 "2014-06-10T13:56:57Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > You dispute that the President is trying to fob this off on Hagel. I have no idea if he’s trying to do this. The only ‘evidence’ that this is so is an oddly-phrased statement from Buck McKeon. And taking the reporting of your link at face-value, SecDef ‘executed the administration’s final call’, which is exactly how one would expect a prisoner exchange like this to go down – the WH makes the decision, and the SecDef executes it. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2014, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1839 "2014-06-10T14:02:49Z")
If he was trying to “fob this off” on Hagel, why would he be doing it at a congressional briefing where there are no reporters? ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2014, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1840 "2014-06-10T14:48:09Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > If he was trying to “fob this off” on Hagel, why would he be doing it at a congressional briefing where there are no reporters? And anybody using their brain (a category likely including Obama but definitely excluding **adaher** ) would have realized that once you’ve held a Rose Garden event to make your announcement, it’s a little too late to successfully pass the buck. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=91) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=93)