# Stupid liberal idea of the day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 20, 2011, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086 "2011-04-20T15:35:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 95
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1881 "2014-06-11T13:42:17Z")
Yeah, he’s doing a heck of a job, that’s why Democrats are attacking him in campaign ads: > **[Alison Grimes attacks Barack Obama in radio ad](https://www.courier-journal.com/story/politics-blog/2014/06/04/alison-grimes-attacks-barack-obama/9951095/)** > > In her recent radio ad, Democratic Senate candidate Alison Grimes attacked President Obama and Sen. McConnell on coal That’s always been his problem. You guys keep claiming he’s some kind of Eisenhower Republican, yet on most issues he can’t unify his caucus, much less reach out to Republicans. If he’s bent over backwards as much as you claim, then how come he can’t even appease his own more conservative party members? ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1882 "2014-06-11T13:44:46Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > **adaher** , you have no credibility with regards to analyzing President Obama. You’ve admitted your incredible bias. The personal animosity you seem to bear him is weird and pathetic. Your criticism of his political style is absurd. Oh c’mon. Give dear ol’ **adaher** a break. He’s just trying to unskew the facts. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1883 "2014-06-11T13:52:59Z")
When it comes to analyzing the character of a President, there are no facts. Opinion is what matters. And SDMB is way out of step with the general public on this issue. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1884 "2014-06-11T14:00:41Z")
Yeah, unfortunately, we have a characteristic here of thinking the facts matter. Part of fighting ignorance. Our burden to bear. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1885 "2014-06-11T14:04:10Z")
Until you don’t like the facts. The fact is, Obama has made no attempt to change politics, or the way government works. He ran on change and then governed as a typical Democrat. The public sees things clearly. SDMB is turning into a bastion of ignorance and dead enders on this issue. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1886 "2014-06-11T14:09:04Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The public sees things clearly. Cite? 😉 > [@](#): > > SDMB is turning into a bastion of ignorance and dead enders on this issue. So why do you waste so much time here? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1887 "2014-06-11T14:15:08Z")
Making fun of you while you guys think you are making fun of me since you have the numbers. As for how the public sees things: > **[Poll: Most say W.H. not competent](https://www.politico.com/story/2014/01/poll-white-house-not-competent-102482)** > > Obama takes a hit for his handling of major issues. [http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president\_obama\_job\_approval-1044.html](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html) > **[Here's How Many Americans Don't Trust Obama](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/obama-poll_n_4337643)** > > Here's How Many Americans Don't Trust Obama [http://pollingreport.com/obama\_ad.htm](http://pollingreport.com/obama_ad.htm) Not honest, not competent, bad on nearly all of the issues, and generally unpopular. And I would be shocked if you were actually ignorant of this. If you are, that says you get too much of your political news right here, where you’d be shielded from such unpleasant realities. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1888 "2014-06-11T14:21:14Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > He ran on change and then governed as a typical Democrat. Thanks for the enlightenment. Until now, I had no idea it was typical for Democrats to ignore their party’s ideas in favor of adapting the Republicans’ (as in Obama’s approach to health care). ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1889 "2014-06-11T14:27:05Z")
You can comfort yourself all you want with such pablum, but the reality is that he couldn’t even get all the Democrats to support ACA in the House. If Obama isn’t winning over conservative Democrats, he’s not trying. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1890 "2014-06-11T14:27:26Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Until you don’t like the facts. The fact is, Obama has made no attempt to change politics, or the way government works. He tried to reach out and govern from the middle, for quite a long time. He should have given it up sooner. > [@](#): > > He ran on change and then governed as a typical Democrat. A typical Democrat _was_ change from the past 8 years. > [@](#): > > The public sees things clearly. The public is all over the place, and opinions change year to year and even month-to-month sometimes. > [@](#): > > SDMB is turning into a bastion of ignorance and dead enders on this issue. As far as US politics, that’s you. You’re the one who has been mostly wrong on the facts. The SDMB community at large has a pretty decent track record in predicting how elections will turn out over the last handful of years. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1891 "2014-06-11T14:27:46Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The public sees things clearly. Which does explain why the Republicans’ approval ratings are even worse than the President’s. Numbers from latest polls listed at Polling [Report.com](http://Report.com): Obama (conducted by Fox News): Approve 40% Disapprove: 54% Republicans in Congress (conducted by Pew Research): Approve: 23% Disapprove: 68% ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1892 "2014-06-11T14:28:57Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > You can comfort yourself all you want with such pablum, but the reality is that he couldn’t even get all the Democrats to support ACA in the House. If Obama isn’t winning over conservative Democrats, he’s not trying. That the ACA passed at all was a miracle, and a ‘big fucking deal’. It required a Gordian knot of compromise, which has been the cause of many of its problems (and even so, it’s largely accomplishing its main goal in reducing the number of uninsured). ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1893 "2014-06-11T14:33:34Z")
But you can’t call it something Republicans should have supported, or an attempt at compromising with Republicans, when they couldn’t even get Blue Dogs to vote for it in the HOuse, and in the Senate, only through rank bribery. A true attempt at compromise would have not only roped in the conservative Dems, but Olympia Snowe as well. So either OBama wasn’t trying, or he’s just that incompetent. And now he’s in the position of having conservative Dems spend more time attacking him than their Republican opponents. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1894 "2014-06-11T14:34:06Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > You can comfort yourself all you want with such pablum… I find it mildly amusing (if far too typical) that you consider simple facts “pablum.” Of course as friend **adaher** said… > [@adaher](#): > > When it comes to analyzing the character of a President, there are no facts. Although I do find it hard to fathom why **adaher** felt the need to include the first clause. Presidential character is hardly the only situation where he finds reality too inconvenient. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1895 "2014-06-11T14:36:07Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > But you can’t call it something Republicans should have supported… We can’t call the Republican Party’s own plan something they should have supported? That’s convoluted even for you, which is quite the achievement. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1896 "2014-06-11T14:37:19Z")
YOu have a strange concept of facts. The oft-cited factoid that ACA was a Republican idea is pure nonsense, but one that Democrats have talked themselves into believing. But the proof is in who voted for it: liberal Democrats. Conservative Democrats mostly stayed away from it. That would imply, if one was interested in actually getting at the facts, that the Democrats had put things into the law that fundamentally changed it’s Republican nature, despite maintaining the outward form of a Republican bill. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1897 "2014-06-11T14:44:12Z")
And of course, a moderate Democrat wouldn’t find himself under fire by members of his own party so that they could save their own skins in the next election. He’s specifically under fire for actions favored by the liberal base which don’t play well in the heartland. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1898 "2014-06-11T14:50:15Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > YOu have a strange concept of facts. The oft-cited factoid that ACA was a Republican idea is pure nonsense [De-ignorate yourself.](http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2013/nov/15/ellen-qualls/aca-gop-health-care-plan-1993/) > [@](#): > > That would imply, if one was interested in actually getting at the facts, that the Democrats had put things into the law that fundamentally changed it’s Republican nature, despite maintaining the outward form of a Republican bill. Yes, they named it Obamacare. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1899 "2014-06-11T15:32:42Z")
Moar stupid liberal ideas of the day, please. Less attempting to checkmate adaher. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1900 "2014-06-11T15:42:17Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Moar stupid liberal ideas of the day, please. > > Less attempting to checkmate adaher. Too be fair, bothering to engage with **adaher** is a stupid\* liberal idea. \*Or at least futile. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=94) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=96)