# Stupid liberal idea of the day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 20, 2011, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086 "2011-04-20T15:35:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 97
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1921 "2014-06-11T21:37:33Z")
You’re name’s\*\* Maus McGill?\*\* Do you call yourself Lil? And everyone knows you as Nancy? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1922 "2014-06-13T13:46:49Z")
A group of Hillary Clinton supporters [filed a frivolous copyright](http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/in-the-loop/wp/2014/06/13/ready-for-hillary-has-same-sense-of-humor-as-the-nsa/) complaint to suppress a parody: > [@](#): > > Ready for Hillary has taken a cue from the NSA. > > No, the pro-Hillary activists aren’t tapping your phones, but they are just as humorless as the spy agency when mocked. In November, we reported that the NSA and Homeland Security Department were none too pleased about parody products sold online using an altered image of their logo, such as a T-shirt with: “Peeping while you’re sleeping” inside the NSA seal and under that, “The NSA, the only part of the government that actually listens.” > > The federal agencies demanded Web stores Zazzle and CafePress, which sell user-generated and customizable items, take them down… > > [N]ow McCall, who’s slogan is “freedom products for liberty lovers” is back with a new line that riffs on the Ready for Hillary logo, using the PAC’s three-starred flag and the same font with the words: “I’m Ready for Oligarchy.” > > The Hillary people were not amused and sent Zazzle and CafePress letters June 1 alleging copyright infringement and demanding the products be removed… ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1923 "2014-06-13T14:52:26Z")
I like this: “The NSA, the only part of the government that actually listens.” ---
**Author:** ![eulalia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eulalia/32/457_2.png) [@eulalia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eulalia)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2014, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1924 "2014-06-14T00:08:25Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > A group of Hillary Clinton supporters [filed a frivolous copyright](http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/in-the-loop/wp/2014/06/13/ready-for-hillary-has-same-sense-of-humor-as-the-nsa/) complaint to suppress a parody: Hilary Clinton is in no way a liberal. The people who object to her support of oligarchy are just as likely as not to be liberals. How does this fit in with the thread title? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2014, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1925 "2014-06-14T00:30:25Z")
Liberals only claim credit for the Clintons when they want to claim they are responsible on the deficit. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2014, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1926 "2014-06-14T01:32:06Z")
When did this thread get repurposed as a boringly long list of adaher’s totally unfounded opinions? It was much more entertaining when there was actual content, including links to supposedly stupid liberal ideas. Now it’s just adaher talking to himself in some kind of weird one-man-rap. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2014, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1927 "2014-06-14T01:44:09Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Liberals only claim credit for the Clintons when they want to claim they are responsible on the deficit. Since Reagan, under Republican presidencies deficits go up, and under Democratic presidencies, deficits go down. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2014, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1928 "2014-06-14T02:48:09Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > When did this thread get repurposed as a boringly long list of adaher’s totally unfounded opinions? Yeah, post them in the SRIotD thread where they belong! ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2014, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1929 "2014-06-14T03:25:48Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Since Reagan, under Republican presidencies deficits go up, and under Democratic presidencies, deficits go down. There’s been two, both of whom a lot of liberals claim aren’t liberal. One of which definitely was not. The other seems pretty liberal to me, and has run record deficits, at least until the GOP stopped him. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2014, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1930 "2014-06-14T03:35:10Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > There’s been two, both of whom a lot of liberals claim aren’t liberal. One of which definitely was not. The other seems pretty liberal to me, and has run record deficits, at least until the GOP stopped him. Once again we have opinion with no effort or cite to back it up. How 'bout you throw us a bone and at least name names? Perhaps you could back it up with cites as well, cites that have clear numbers? Or is this just another round of “adaher says”? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2014, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1931 "2014-06-14T03:37:24Z")
Two Democratic Presidents since Reagan: Clinton and Obama. I assume you don’t need a cite to prove that. One ran surpluses. The other, record deficits. Again, I would hope you wouldn’t need a cite for what should be common knowledge on this board. As for their ideology, that’s a matter of opinion. Clinton was a member of the centrist DLC and governed effectively with a Republican majority, often signing bills that the liberal wing of the party voted against. So I think it’s fair to call him a centrist in an absolute sense, and definitely a centrist relative to Obama, who has signed nothing that didn’t have the support of the party’s liberal wing, and a lot that did not have the support of his party’s conservative wing. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2014, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1932 "2014-06-14T03:42:03Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > As for their ideology, that’s a matter of opinion. Well at least we agree on one thing… > [@zoid](#): > > When did this thread get repurposed as a boringly long list of adaher’s totally unfounded opinions? Now perhaps we could get back to the topic of the OP? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2014, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1933 "2014-06-14T03:43:15Z")
STupid liberal idea of a couple of years ago: We should run deficits to boost the economy. Not a bad idea in and of itself, until you realize that Democrats run deficits in good times and bad, with the exception of Clinton. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2014, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1934 "2014-06-14T03:45:52Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > STupid liberal idea of a couple of years ago: That’s not the topic of the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2014, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1935 "2014-06-14T03:48:44Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Since Reagan, under Republican presidencies deficits go up, and under Democratic presidencies, deficits go down. > [@adaher](#): > > There’s been two, both of whom a lot of liberals claim aren’t liberal. One of which definitely was not. The other seems pretty liberal to me, and has run record deficits, at least until the GOP stopped him. From [here](http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/02/27/the-best-kept-secret-in-american-politics-federal-budget-deficits-are-actually-shrinking/) > [@](#): > > Over the first four years of the Obama presidency, the deficit shrunk by a total of $300 billion dollars. That is not the national debt- it is the amount of money we spend each year relative to the amount we take in. And while this improving deficit picture is not what those who believe in a balanced budget would be looking for, it is a shrinking deficit just the same. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2014, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1936 "2014-06-14T03:50:33Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > From [here](http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/02/27/the-best-kept-secret-in-american-politics-federal-budget-deficits-are-actually-shrinking/) Wait, wait, wait… adaher was WRONG?! ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2014, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1937 "2014-06-14T03:52:41Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > Wait, wait, wait… > > adaher was WRONG?! I was just as surprised as you are. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2014, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1938 "2014-06-14T04:21:21Z")
Morons. Wrong means stating something that is incorrect. Here is what I stated: **has run record deficits, at least until the GOP stopped him** I’d teach you guys what a rebuttal is, but if you can’t get your “right” and “wrong” straight rebuttal might be too complicated a concept. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2014, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1939 "2014-06-14T04:28:31Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Morons. Wrong means stating something that is incorrect. Here is what I stated: > > **has run record deficits, at least until the GOP stopped him** > > I’d teach you guys what a rebuttal is, but if you can’t get your “right” and “wrong” straight rebuttal might be too complicated a concept. Which again is unsupported opinion and, once again, not the topic of the OP. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2014, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/1940 "2014-06-14T05:04:23Z")
Both are supported. A) His 2009 and 2010 deficits were records, and b) spending only started to drop when the GOP won the HOuse, and has been dropping ever since, despite Obama asking for big increases in every budget. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=96) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086.md?page=98)