# stupid pigs (Police Brutality) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 5, 2003, 8:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-pigs-police-brutality/152919 "2003-02-05T08:53:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2003, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-pigs-police-brutality/152919/21 "2003-02-05T19:58:42Z")
Thanks, **Bricker** , that’s about what I thought. As I said, before, the incident on this particular video does not strike me as particularly egregious, but I wondered if the officer in question might have violated some technical procedure. I’ve seen a lot worse stuff to get upset about than this case. ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2003, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-pigs-police-brutality/152919/22 "2003-02-05T20:03:36Z")
> [@](#): > > If anything, I think maybe the video represents the casual and routine use of force which is used every day by police. One whole video is representative of hundreds of such arrests that occur every single day? No offense, but .001% is hardly “representative”. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2003, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-pigs-police-brutality/152919/23 "2003-02-05T20:34:53Z")
> [@](#): > > _SPOOFE_ > One whole video is representative of hundreds of such arrests that occur every single day? > > No offense, but .001% is hardly “representative.” I’m not really sure what you’re objecting to. All I meant was the the actions by the officer in the video do not strike me as particuarly anomalous or outrageous. I didn’t say it was an _abusive_ use of force, just that it _was_ a use of force. I think it was fairly average incident, not an extraordinary one. ---
**Author:** ![Kamandi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5daacb/32.png) [@Kamandi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamandi)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2003, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-pigs-police-brutality/152919/24 "2003-02-05T21:01:41Z")
How do we know that this wasn’t a couple of actors playing dress-up? Is there a police report somewhere? (Pardon me if this was shown in the link. My dial-up connection doesn’t like streaming video.) ---
**Author:** ![Bongmaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Bongmaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bongmaster)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2003, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-pigs-police-brutality/152919/25 "2003-02-05T21:13:03Z")
In my opinion the cops use of force was excessive, and at the same time the guy he was arresting did NOT comply with orders from him. Both parties get 2 years lockup, no parole, case closed. Next! ---
**Author:** ![ScoobyTX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ec9cab/32.png) [@ScoobyTX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScoobyTX)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2003, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-pigs-police-brutality/152919/26 "2003-02-05T21:48:31Z")
**Shodan** , I take it you think that becoming a police officer and using excessive force are involuntary actions, much as being born Israeli, Chinese, Black, or Gay? ---
**Author:** ![Moirai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@Moirai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moirai)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2003, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-pigs-police-brutality/152919/27 "2003-02-05T21:57:59Z")
My question is the same as **Kamandi** ’s. Anyone? Looked pretty easily faked to me. **ScoobyTX** , I think you missed the point completely. But I won’t speak for **Shodan**. ---
**Author:** ![Slip\_Mahoney](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47774/32.png) [@Slip\_Mahoney](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slip_Mahoney)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2003, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-pigs-police-brutality/152919/28 "2003-02-05T23:27:14Z")
I see a cop bashing thread on this board with some regularity, but I’ve never seen a cop killer bashed here. I suspect a thread like that would sink like a stone. How about them Bucs? ---
**Author:** ![Moirai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@Moirai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moirai)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-pigs-police-brutality/152919/29 "2003-02-06T00:05:33Z")
**Slip** , how nice to see you over here! But not in this thread… Some kid with “toker” in his name thinking drug offenders are getting screwed- don’t take it seriously. The Bucs rule (and it’s about time!)! ---
**Author:** ![Badtz\_Maru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e36b37/32.png) [@Badtz\_Maru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Badtz_Maru)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-pigs-police-brutality/152919/30 "2003-02-06T00:46:59Z")
There’s that one cop killer that all the celebrities love. I forget his name, but he’s been slammed repeatedly on these boards. ---
**Author:** ![ScoobyTX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ec9cab/32.png) [@ScoobyTX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScoobyTX)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-pigs-police-brutality/152919/31 "2003-02-06T01:14:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by EJsGirl \* > \*\ ***ScoobyTX** , I think you missed the point completely. But I won’t speak for **Shodan**. \*\* Well, I noticed that one of these things is not like the other. I see a big difference between disliking a group of people based on involuntary characteristics (race/ethnicity, sex, sexual preference/orientation, etc.)- always bad, disliking people based on semivoluntary characteristics (cultural/religious behaviors and beliefs)- sometimes bad, sometimes not, and disliking people based on wholly voluntary characteristics (choice of profession, most behaviors, etc.)- maybe not smart, but not anywhere close to racism, etc. I see it as completely disingenuous to equate calling a couple of cops (who are arguably using excessive force) “pigs” with calling Israelis “kikes”, Chinese “chinks,” and blacks “niggers” (regardless of their behavior). Cops that abuse their position ARE “pigs;” those who don’t, aren’t. ---
**Author:** ![Ms2001](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ms2001/32/18463_2.png) [@Ms2001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ms2001)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-pigs-police-brutality/152919/32 "2003-02-06T02:09:57Z")
You know, one of my characters on The Sims Online wears a cop uniform, and within minutes of joining the game I was beaten to a pulp by ravers. That’s brutality. ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-pigs-police-brutality/152919/33 "2003-02-06T15:15:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Badtz Maru \* > \*\*There’s that one cop killer that all the celebrities love. I forget his name, but he’s been slammed repeatedly on these boards. \*\* Oh yeah, Mummyshit or Mumia or something. ---
**Author:** ![Slip\_Mahoney](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47774/32.png) [@Slip\_Mahoney](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slip_Mahoney)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-pigs-police-brutality/152919/34 "2003-02-06T16:09:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ScoobyTX \* > \*\* Cops that abuse their position ARE “pigs;” those who don’t, aren’t. \*\* Uh huh. Is a nurse who abuses her position a pig? How about a priest? How about anybody who abuses their position? Are they pigs? Go and have a nap. ---
**Author:** ![ScoobyTX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ec9cab/32.png) [@ScoobyTX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScoobyTX)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-pigs-police-brutality/152919/35 "2003-02-06T17:38:30Z")
Nope… pretty much just bad cops. Not all cops, not most cops, not even very many cops- just the bad ones are “pigs.” If you somehow construe this as “cop-bashing,” then you would be an “idiot,” or maybe a “moron.” ---
**Author:** ![Mac\_Guffin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Mac\_Guffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mac_Guffin)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-pigs-police-brutality/152919/36 "2003-02-06T17:43:30Z")
Um, **toker420** , the “dope” in “The Straight Dope” isn’t that kind of dope. It means information, as in, “The Accurate Information”. Just thought you should know. ---
**Author:** ![Slip\_Mahoney](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47774/32.png) [@Slip\_Mahoney](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slip_Mahoney)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-pigs-police-brutality/152919/37 "2003-02-06T17:58:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ScoobyTX \* > \*\*Nope… pretty much just bad cops. Not all cops, not most cops, not even very many cops- just the bad ones are “pigs.” > > If you somehow construe this as “cop-bashing,” then you would be an “idiot,” or maybe a “moron.” \*\* Did I say you were cop bashing? I asked you a question. Are people in other professions who abuse their positions pigs? Learn to read, cretin. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-pigs-police-brutality/152919/38 "2003-02-06T18:41:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ScoobyTX \* > \*\ ***Shodan** , I take it you think that becoming a police officer and using excessive force are involuntary actions, much as being born Israeli, Chinese, Black, or Gay? \*\* No, I think characterizing an entire group based on the actions of a few is wrong. If you are claiming that the term “pigs” referred only to abusive officers, no problem. Simply create a thread called “Stupid faggots (gay crimes)”, cite only Jeffrey Dahmer and Gaetan Dugas, and see if people think that is plausible. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![ScoobyTX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ec9cab/32.png) [@ScoobyTX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScoobyTX)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-pigs-police-brutality/152919/39 "2003-02-06T19:35:46Z")
**Shodan** - I took the thread title to be referring to the two police officers who were beating & macing the hell out of a guy that was, at worst, passively resisting, not the entire profession, although the OP doesn’t say much more than “look at this video.” Maybe I didn’t read enough into it. **Slip** - a couple of examples: bad doctors are “quacks,” bad lawyers are “shysters.” Not every profession has its own little slur against bad practitioners. No, bad nurses aren’t “pigs,” nor are anyone else other than bad cops. I guess I did read too much into **Slip** ’s post stating: > [@](#): > > I see a cop bashing thread on this board with some regularity, but I’ve never seen a cop killer bashed here. I (maybe wrongly) assumed that he thinks any criticism of any police officer is “cop-bashing.” Now I realize it was just a non-sequitor post, much like “When come back, bring pie.” I thought I had answered his question (is anyone else a pig?) with the very first sentence: “Nope… just bad cops.” I guess I should have spelled it out: No, bad nurses, priests, butchers, bakers and candlestick makers are not pigs. “Pigs” applies only to bad cops. > [@](#): > > Learn to read, cretin. Indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Slip\_Mahoney](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47774/32.png) [@Slip\_Mahoney](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slip_Mahoney)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-pigs-police-brutality/152919/40 "2003-02-06T21:57:42Z")
Scooby, ignorance can be cured. That’s why this board exists. Stupidity, unfortunately, cannot. I’m done with your stupidity. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-pigs-police-brutality/152919.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-pigs-police-brutality/152919.md?page=3)