# Stupid Privileged White Kid Gets 6 Months for Rape, Father describes it as "20 minutes of action" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 7, 2016, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733 "2016-06-07T14:12:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2016, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/221 "2016-06-11T02:31:46Z")
> [@Clarisse\_McClellan](#): > > Creep was always a [creep](http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-stanford-rape-case-documents-release-20160610-snap-htmlstory.html) and his sentencing statement about being an innocent kid from Ohio was a lie. That link goes to one hell of an article; thanks for that. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2016, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/222 "2016-06-11T03:00:29Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > From the letter: > > "I learned that my ass and vagina were completely exposed outside, my breasts had been groped, fingers had been jabbed inside me along with pine needles and debris, my bare skin and head had been rubbing against the ground behind a dumpster, while an erect freshman was humping my half naked, unconscious body. " Thank you for posting that. I was beginning to doubt my memory and didn’t know if I was up for reading her statement again to find out. > [@aldiboronti](#): > > If my son were in this position I too would write to the judge asking for justice to be tempered with mercy. Yes, he did a terrible thing, but what sort of father would turn his back on his son at such a moment? Should he have asked them to throw away the key, let the guy rot? > > He’s a father, the guy is his fucking son. Unload on the perp as you please but give the father a fucking break. He has done nothing wrong although from some of the comments you’d be forgiven for thinking he was there behind his son cheering him on. Again, do the people giving the father a pass not understand writing a letter of support that is NOT dickish versus one that IS? I mean, the latter is not the only option. As has been repeated ad nauseum, the father could have done his parenting duties and yet still avoid phrases like “20 minutes of _action_.” Or are you saying you’d take the same tack? Finally, people calling the dad an asshole really isn’t a big deal, is it? Certainly not compared to sexual assault. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2016, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/223 "2016-06-11T03:15:55Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Betcha those visas are going to cost a pretty penny. Betcha you can’t get those visas. You can’t even get into Canada with a DUI (my sister is banned from Canada :)). Europe is not busy handing out resident visas to U.S. felons. A friend of mine has been trying to get a visa to live and work anywhere in Europe for five years - she has a lot of money, an MBA, and no criminal record. She’s not getting one unless she marries a European or already has a job in Europe. He could probably join ISIS. They’d take him. ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2016, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/224 "2016-06-11T03:37:53Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > The asshole is appealing the conviction. There is still the chance that he doesn’t do time at all and won’t have to register as a sex offender. He’s already in jail ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2016, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/225 "2016-06-11T03:53:38Z")
> [@treis](#): > > He’s already in jail For a few more days, right? ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2016, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/226 "2016-06-11T03:59:48Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > For a few more days, right? Until Sept 2. Mark your calendars for the next pit thread. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2016, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/227 "2016-06-11T04:00:58Z")
He doesn’t get sprung pending appeal? ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2016, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/228 "2016-06-11T04:07:39Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > He doesn’t get sprung pending appeal? I don’t think he’s actually appealed. Even if he has, an appeal doesn’t automatically stop you from going to jail. It’s up to the judge whether or not you get sprung pending your appeal. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2016, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/229 "2016-06-11T05:29:05Z")
Would it be the same judge that handles his appeal? Couldn’t be I suppose. Whatever law firm that is suggesting this is only in it for the money. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2016, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/230 "2016-06-11T16:11:06Z")
Why do you say that? Are you certain that the Judge didn’t make any errors during the trial that could lead to a successful appeal? (Let’s face it, based on the admittedly small sample size, he’s already known to have made a whopper of a error on sentencing, so why not at the trial proper?) ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2016, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/231 "2016-06-11T17:03:41Z")
Here’s a letter from his mother. It made my eyes roll. > **[READ: Brock Turner’s Mother Carleen’s Letter to the Judge](https://heavy.com/news/2016/06/carleen-brock-turner-mother-mom-letter-judge-stanford-rape-beautiful-son-parents/)** > > Carleen Turner, mother of Stanford rapist Brock Turner, wrote an appeal for mercy for her "beautiful son." ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2016, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/232 "2016-06-11T17:13:58Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Why do you say that? Are you certain that the Judge didn’t make any errors during the trial that could lead to a successful appeal? > > (Let’s face it, based on the admittedly small sample size, he’s already known to have made a whopper of a error on sentencing, so why not at the trial proper?) Do you mean he’s made a legal error? Or a moral and ethical one. I can see the second but I’m not well-versed enough in the law to spot the first. Can they impose another sentence if sentencing wasn’t within the guidelines? ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2016, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/233 "2016-06-11T17:21:32Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > (Let’s face it, based on the admittedly small sample size, he’s already known to have made a whopper of a error on sentencing, so why not at the trial proper?) His sentence was within the limits allowed by the law. This is NOT a legal error, however much one might wish it were the case. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2016, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/234 "2016-06-11T17:27:47Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#): > > Here’s a letter from his mother. It made my eyes roll. > > [READ: Brock Turner's Mother Carleen's Letter to the Judge](http://heavy.com/news/2016/06/carleen-brock-turner-mother-mom-letter-judge-stanford-rape-beautiful-son-parents/) Since The Internet never forgets, I expect that in 4 or 5 years, we’ll all be very impressed with the selfless lifestyle that Brock Turner will have taken up, and we’ll marvel at all the ways he’s helped his fellow citizens, be they rapists (like him) or non-rapists (like most of us). I mean, both his parents wrote to the court that he’ll live a productive and positive life, so it must be true, right? :dubious: ETA: My prediction is that he’ll team up with Luke Gatti and have a reality series; it’ll be the 2nd top rated program during both Trump presidencies, only slightly less beloved than _Ow My Balls!_ ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2016, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/235 "2016-06-11T17:45:31Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#): > > Here’s a letter from his mother. It made my eyes roll. > > [READ: Brock Turner's Mother Carleen's Letter to the Judge](http://heavy.com/news/2016/06/carleen-brock-turner-mother-mom-letter-judge-stanford-rape-beautiful-son-parents/) Oh Em Gee. First, there’s no way in hell anyone should read all of that self-important drivel. Seriously, was this an essay competition? Second, after now hearing from apparently everyone in his circle, I can certainly see why he turned out the way he is. Not a single mention of the horror he perpetrated on his victim, what he did wrong, how he should face the consequences, or how remorseful he is. Just droning on and on about what all he’s lost, how this is killing his future, his family’s life and blah blah blah poor, pitiful us. Feel sorry for us! Send us money! Don’t hold us accountable! Third, I’m glad these are being released for all and sundry to read. And I know there’s some MRA or troll types that won’t be dissuaded from their frothing, but holy hell, everyone else and their dogs will now see these narcissistic assholes for what they are… sociopaths. Then treat them accordingly. So disturbing. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2016, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/236 "2016-06-11T17:50:06Z")
> [@faithfool](#): > > Third, I’m glad these are being released for all and sundry to read. If you want to read a full 61 pages of letters, from family and friends and swimming coaches and teachers and all the other people who know Turner, the _LA Times_ has [all of the court documents from the whole trial](http://documents.latimes.com/stanford-brock-turner/) available on its website. The letters of reference are in document #9. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2016, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/237 "2016-06-11T17:51:56Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Do you mean he’s made a legal error? Or a moral and ethical one. I can see the second but I’m not well-versed enough in the law to spot the first. Can they impose another sentence if sentencing wasn’t within the guidelines? No, apparently not. An earlier poster said that under California law, his decision not to comply with the sentencing guidelines cannot be appealed. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2016, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/238 "2016-06-11T18:34:20Z")
The letters are really quite an interesting read. Many of the writers have the good sense to talk in generalities about their own experiences with Turner, without implying that he has been incorrectly convicted or somehow unfairly treated. Others, however, still continue to see him as the only victim in this case. Here’s his sister: > [@](#): > > The night of January 17th I was not there and I did not witness the events that transpired, which now compel me to write to you. On that fateful night, Brock failed to recognize a series of signifiers that he surely would have if he hadn’t consumed alcohol that evening. However, it is also clear that Brock, having the good character that he does, was never out to take advantage of anyone, traumatize anyone, and especially rape anyone. He put himself in a situation and willingly participated in it, making decisions that lead him to grapple with what his life is now. > > I understand that he has been found guilty of his crimes and must now pay his debt to society…Instead of making him a burden to the state, please consider how counseling, community service, and probation would be a proper and deserved punishment for his actions. Think of the extraordinary potential he has to be a voice in society and speak out against the binge drinking and sexual promiscuity that define culture on college campuses. His dreams were shattered in the course of an evening, but every action he took could have been prevented. From a family friend and someone who employed turner when he returned to Ohio after the arrest: > [@](#): > > [T]he verdict hurt because we knew he was a great kid that in the matter of a few hours, made a few bad decisions that changed his life forever. The media never mentioned the girl’s name to protect her, but they plastered Brock’s everywhere, even before he was tried. I knew that even if he was found innocent, Brock’s life was never going to be the same, but I still hoped for an innocent verdict… > > The thought of a possible jail sentence seems a terrible mistake when considering all that Brock can contribute…yes, he made some bad decisions that one night, but to think that such a talented, young, intellectual young [sic] man with so much potential would have to go spend time in jail is very saddening. I am sure that if he could replay the events of that January evening, it would be very different… > > I think that in many ways, Brock has already paid for what happened in January. Brock’s life – his promising swimming career, his education at Stanford and his reputation have been destroyed…I don’t know if probation is an option for his sentence, but in my estimation, he has already paid enough and I would hope as the judge presiding over his sentencing you could consider probation as opposed to a jail sentence. From a friend: > [@](#): > > As I was in the courtroom alongside the whole Turner family, I was astonished and angered to hear the person that District Attorney Alaleh Kianerci described to the courtroom. The person she believed to be describing was one she wished to, and not the kind-hearted, relaxed, and caring Brock that he actually is. She used Brock’s most defining qualities, of being a relaxed or “chill” person against him in a manner that was in her favor and demoted Brock… > > The fact that I am even writing this letter is something I never saw coming, or could ever imagine, this is itself I believe to speak numbers. You would think a close friendship of 8 years could predict something like this happening, but the type of person Brock is could never deserve this or do anything he has been convicted of in a thousand of his lives. I have never been so angry with God in all my life, for instilling such pain on such an undeserving soul. From his gradparents: > [@](#): > > We still are in disbelief. Brock is the only person being held accountable for the actions of other irresponsible adults. He raised a right hand, swore an oath and told the truth. > > Brock is a good 20 year old young man who has never been in trouble. Brock has essentially served a 14 month jail sentence while awaiting trial. From a friend and swimming competitor: > [@](#): > > I hope my words helped you get to know the real Brock Turner, the guy who wouldn’t hurt a fly, the guy who made sure everyone was included, the guy who was, and still is, someone with great leadership qualities. Brock Turner was misconstrued as a criminal, which he simply is not. I hope you see the real Brock Turner. From another guy on the Stanford swimming team: > [@](#): > > While acknowledging that there are serious issues which need addressing in colleges throughout the US, and indeed worldwide, I implore you to not make a scapegoat out of such a hardworking and genuinely good person as Brock Turner. He and his family have suffered already, and will continue to do so for the rest of their lives. I urge you to be influenced only by those who know him, and not by the media and lobbyists who don’t. Yikes! There’s some self-delusion going on in some of those letters. And, in a couple of cases, some really bad writing. 🙂 Quite a few other letter-writers say that they have daughters, and would not hesitate to trust Turner around their daughters. I’d be interested to know if they really feel that way now that he’s back among them in Ohio. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2016, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/239 "2016-06-11T18:52:32Z")
And of course, we get the ridiculous assertion that people who point out societal and institutional racism are the real racists. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2016, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/240 "2016-06-11T19:52:35Z")
From the mother’s letter - > [@](#): > > But in the months leading up to the trial, we had hope. Brock told us what happened and his accounting of the events of that night never changed from the first time he told us everything. He was a shy and awkward 19-year old, far away frorn home trying to fit in with the swimmers he idolized. He is the most trust-worthy and honest person I know. He was telling the truth. We knew once he had the opportunity to fell what happened this would al! go away. And again from that article in post 220 - we know this is all false. Brock Turner did drugs all through high school and college. He was arrested for under age drinking last November. He is neither trustworthy nor honest, and the rest of his family is looking pretty bad, too. I wonder if they’ve been pricing tickets to Mexico? > **[Stanford swimmer convicted of sex assault lied about never partying,...](https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-stanford-rape-case-documents-release-20160610-snap-htmlstory.html)** > > The Santa Clara County Superior Court released the entire case file early Friday on Brock Turner, a former Stanford University swimmer convicted of sexually assault a woman. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733.md?page=13)