# Stupid Privileged White Kid Gets 6 Months for Rape, Father describes it as "20 minutes of action" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 7, 2016, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733 "2016-06-07T14:12:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/281 "2016-06-13T20:21:10Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > being a “good kid” who gets good grades, being an athlete Sadly, in the US “being a student athlete” and “good grades” too often go hand in hand in a way that’s got very little to do with the “student” part, to the point where in a lot of schools the second will produce the first. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/282 "2016-06-13T20:27:27Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > No corruption necessary, just bias. Could be right. Could be that the judge feels that a fine young man shouldn’t have to suffer because a tramp got liquored up and passed out. He may have just been looking for _any_ excuse to be lenient. He wouldn’t be the first backward-ass misogynist in a black robe. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/283 "2016-06-13T21:49:07Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Not a bad idea! Yeah, well… I stepped into that one. But to be fair, every college gives preferences to recruited athletes. Also, he was a freshman so his writing is not really a reflection on Stanford, he hadn’t really been there long enough for them to fix a lifetime of suck. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/284 "2016-06-13T22:17:40Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > Indeed. But also, it emphasizes the facts of what was done to her: That she was manhandled in a way that left her bruised, filthy and vulnerable. That she continues to be haunted by the pain of that night. That the victim’s insistence that she consented to her injuries contributes to her trauma. > > The _victims_ are not the ones who need humanizing. Typically, it’s the defense who tries to humanize the defendent, by giving the jury some way to sympathize with the guilty party. It’s only in rape trials that the victim has to work to earn the jury’s sympathy. > > As we see here - the judge had no interest in _her_ suffering, even though the jury was unimpressed by Brock Turner’s swim times or Stanford connections. I don’t know the whole story but I don’t think I need to know every last detail once you have established that he was trying to fuck an unconscious girl behind a dumpster. Sure, sometimes good people do evil things but the way this boy is acting doesn’t make me think he is a good person who did a bad thing. It makes me think he’s a bad guy that finally got caught. And judging from his parents, I think some of it was the result of nurture rather than nature. The reason we end up crucifying rape victims is because one of the primary defenses against rape is consent. When a woman says she did not consent and the man says she did, they can’t just take the woman’s word for it and lock the guy in jail, they look at the woman (and man) under a microscope and let the jury decide if they think there was consent or not, this is particularly harrowing in the case of first time offenders from good backgrounds (not poor or black). In THIS case however, there is no question of consent (the girl was unconscious), so I am not sure what the purpose of the trial was other than to try and get a better plea bargain. But when you try that tactic and lose the trial, you also usually get the book thrown at you rather than get a relative slap on the wrist. I understand giving a reduced sentence to a young first time offender who was drunk and had displayed remorse but if you are going to go light on the jail time, you frequently make the probation for more than the minimum term. I wonder if he would have been given such a light sentence if he was a black basketball player on the Stanford team. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/285 "2016-06-13T22:24:51Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > It isn’t just being white. Its being white - which does get you more points than the rest - from a well off family, being a “good kid” who gets good grades, being an athlete, being famous, being good looking. All of those things add advantage points - and this kid hit most of the buttons (he’s kind of funny looking and his parents are REALLY wealthy, just well off, nor was he famous - but he gets lots of points for white Stanford athlete.) > > When our son was in middle school he got caught - with four other boys - with weed. He’s Asian, the other boys were white. He was the only one suspended. There is a subconscious effort on the part of white authority figures to spare white children from the consequences of their youthful indiscretions. They are much more neutral and objective with Asian kids and they generally don’t give a shit what happens with black and Hispanic kids (its not like they have a future anyway amirite?). Being particularly good looking, athletic, academically successful or wealthy helps a lot but if I had to choose just one of those things, the min/maxxer in me would want to be white. All of those tings are helpful in different situations but being white helps in almost every situation. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/286 "2016-06-13T22:36:25Z")
> [@faithfool](#): > > I understand quite well, especially since it would undoubtably result in a black defendant having the book at him. But just because it’s privilege and bias, doesn’t also mean it can’t be corruption too. One doesn’t preclude the other. Of course but using Occam’s razor, why attribute to malice what can easily be explained by bias. I mean bias is fucking everywhere, corruption is actually pretty rare and the family is not really very wealthy. > [@](#): > > And as far as writing that letter goes, perhaps I grew up with a different class of people. No one I know would’ve written a letter that 1) absconds the guilty of responsibility, 2) lies like a dog, and 3) shows no concern whatsoever for the victim. Character statements like that generally don’t usually spend a lot of time showing concern for the victim. That’s the defendant’s job, not his character witness. The defendant apparently showed plenty of remorse to the probation officer who recommended the light sentence. So that’s another guy that needs to be put under the microscope. > [@](#): > > As a white woman’s from a previously lower-middle class life, I definitely would’ve submitted something to a judge on the behalf of my much step-son if he’d have gotten himself in trouble and was facing serious jail time. However, I’d have wanted to make it absolutely clear that he should pay his debt to society, make amends if at all possible and focus on how gravely sorry he would and should be. I’d actually want my kid to take a lesson or four away from his crimes, not just blow the consequences off. My late husband felt the same way, as evidenced by many a teacher-parent conference. This is not the letter I would have written either, I find parts of it offensive and myopic but I think it is within the bounds of morality and ethical conduct during the sentencing phase when guilt has already been established. You’re basically just begging the judge for mercy at this point, not contesting the verdict itself. Just FYI, the father was not talking about how horrible the 6 month sentence was, he was talking about the 6 year sentence recommended by the prosecutor (the prosecutor was recommending a sentence based on the premise that the defendant was a sexual predator because he displayed predatory behavior by taking the victim behind the dumpster). ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/287 "2016-06-13T22:47:24Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Could be right. Could be that the judge feels that a fine young man shouldn’t have to suffer because a tramp got liquored up and passed out. He may have just been looking for _any_ excuse to be lenient. He wouldn’t be the first backward-ass misogynist in a black robe. His “excuse” was the probation report. They recommended the light sentence and the judge followed the probation report rather than the prosecutor’s recommendation. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/288 "2016-06-14T02:41:59Z")
Okay, then here’s a question… you say [paraphrasing] that your basically just throwing yourself at the mercy of the judge hoping for any leniency and because of being in that position, someone would basically be forced to forgo any focus on the victim and solely sing the praises of the defendant, yes? But what if, unbeknownst to you, the judge favors those who they think will be properly contrite for their actions and attempt a true turn around, resulting in no recidivism. Wouldn’t you be playing Russian roulette by not saying the perp would ever take responsibility? And the frightening thing here was, apparently not a single person who wrote on his behalf took that approach. I find that incredibly telling. That’s where I’m coming from. I would hope not many parents (and other loved ones) would come off this poorly while hoping to help. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/289 "2016-06-14T04:47:35Z")
[At least one of the jurors is not happy with the judge so he called the judge out publicly in an interview and a letter: > [@](#): > > During the sentencing, you said, “The trial is a search for the truth. It’s an imperfect process. But after the trial all sides should accept the jury’s findings.” It seems to me that you really did not accept the jury’s findings. We were unanimous in our finding of the defendant’s guilt and our verdicts were marginalized based on your own personal opinion. > > You had to justify that there were “unusual circumstances” to give Mr. Turner less than the two year minimum sentence for his crime. But the unfortunate fact is, these circumstances are not unusual. Women like Ms. Doe suffer daily from similar crimes and I fear your sentence will make these victims less willing to report their attacks. > > This punishment does not fit the crime. Mr. Turner, convicted of 3 felony counts of sexual assault, will serve 3 months in county jail since he is scheduled to be released on September 2. And Mr. Turner is going to appeal the verdict, which not only is a complete waste of tax payers’ money but could mean, if he gets off, that he will not even have to register as a sex offender. How unjust would that outcome be, the slate wiped clean for a 3-count convicted sex offender?! > > Justice has not been served in this case. The jury’s verdict of guilt on all three felony counts of sexual assault was completely disregarded in an effort to spare the perpetrator a ‘hardship’. What message does this send to Emily Doe, and indeed all victims of sexual assault and rape, especially those on college campuses? Your concern was for the impact on the assailant. I vehemently disagree, our concern should be for the victim. > > Shame on you. ]([http://www.paloaltoonline.com/news/2016/06/13/brock-turner-juror-to-judge-shame-on-you](http://www.paloaltoonline.com/news/2016/06/13/brock-turner-juror-to-judge-shame-on-you)) ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/290 "2016-06-14T05:57:27Z")
Wow. There was a two year minimum and he ignored it?? Yeah, I can’t imagine where I got my idea that there was more to this than meets the eye. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 9:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/291 "2016-06-14T09:57:07Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Also, he was a freshman so his writing is not really a reflection on Stanford, he hadn’t really been there long enough for them to fix a lifetime of suck. :dubious: The fact that Stanford, one of the most competitive universities in the country with an applicant acceptance rate of under 5%, admitted this guy as a student in the first place _is_ a reflection on them. Of course, it’s also a reflection on the alumni and other fans who prioritize sports success over academic achievement to the extent of incentivizing the admission of very mediocre students who happen to be good athletes. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/292 "2016-06-14T10:11:18Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Sadly, in the US “being a student athlete” and “good grades” too often go hand in hand in a way that’s got very little to do with the “student” part, to the point where in a lot of schools the second will produce the first. It’s the same in France in some schools - my own highschool prided itself on its rugby tradition and team. The “Sport-Etudes” kids were some of the most obnoxious slabs of beef this side of mad cow disease, jock bullies to a man ; many were shit in class but never got held back or anything. Certainly none ever earned disciplinary punishments worse than detention over the shit they pulled. I like to believe most of them ended up as phys. ed. teachers :mad:😛 ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/293 "2016-06-14T10:29:02Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > There is a subconscious effort on the part of white authority figures to spare white children from the consequences of their youthful indiscretions. They are much more neutral and objective with Asian kids and they generally don’t give a shit what happens with black and Hispanic kids (its not like they have a future anyway amirite?). Being particularly good looking, athletic, academically successful or wealthy helps a lot but if I had to choose just one of those things, the min/maxxer in me would want to be white. All of those tings are helpful in different situations but being white helps in almost every situation. Yup. [Only white guys](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87LGmm1M5Is) can fuck with time travel, for one thing. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/294 "2016-06-14T20:49:51Z")
Apparently he took pictures of her naked breast and [shared them](http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/06/14/stanford-rapist-brock-turner-sent-explicit-picture-victims-breasts-friends) with his friends. ---
**Author:** ![Algher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Algher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algher)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/295 "2016-06-14T21:27:39Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > :dubious: The fact that Stanford, one of the most competitive universities in the country with an applicant acceptance rate of under 5%, admitted this guy as a student in the first place _is_ a reflection on them. > > Of course, it’s also a reflection on the alumni and other fans who prioritize sports success over academic achievement to the extent of incentivizing the admission of very mediocre students who happen to be good athletes. So you have seen his application? Know his SAT scores and GPA? Read his admissions essay? Seen a copy of his grades from his time as a Stanford student? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/296 "2016-06-15T14:23:28Z")
> [@faithfool](#): > > Okay, then here’s a question… you say [paraphrasing] that your basically just throwing yourself at the mercy of the judge hoping for any leniency and because of being in that position, someone would basically be forced to forgo any focus on the victim and solely sing the praises of the defendant, yes? > > But what if, unbeknownst to you, the judge favors those who they think will be properly contrite for their actions and attempt a true turn around, resulting in no recidivism. > > Wouldn’t you be playing Russian roulette by not saying the perp would ever take responsibility? And the frightening thing here was, apparently not a single person who wrote on his behalf took that approach. I find that incredibly telling. > > That’s where I’m coming from. I would hope not many parents (and other loved ones) would come off this poorly while hoping to help. Sure maybe you are right. But this is not the perpetrator writing the letter, it is his parent. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/297 "2016-06-15T14:25:44Z")
> [@faithfool](#): > > Wow. There was a two year minimum and he ignored it?? Yeah, I can’t imagine where I got my idea that there was more to this than meets the eye. I think his sentence was three years but he only had to serve 3 months of it in jail, the rest of it was probation. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/298 "2016-06-15T14:32:12Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > :dubious: The fact that Stanford, one of the most competitive universities in the country with an applicant acceptance rate of under 5%, admitted this guy as a student in the first place _is_ a reflection on them. EVERY top school lowers their standards for athletes, legacies, and underrepresented minorities. Stanford might do it a little bit more than Yale but its a matter of degree. > [@](#): > > Of course, it’s also a reflection on the alumni and other fans who prioritize sports success over academic achievement to the extent of incentivizing the admission of very mediocre students who happen to be good athletes. Olympic level athletes generally get some consideration for that achievement. However much of a scumbag this guy may be, he is a highly accomplished scumbag. Giving a preference to high achievers in any area is justifiable. giving preferences to people were born with a particular skin color but has no other socioeconomic disadvantage is a bit harder to justify. Giving preferences to people who chose their parents wisely is almost impossible to justify. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/299 "2016-06-15T14:39:43Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Yup. [Only white guys](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87LGmm1M5Is) can fuck with time travel, for one thing. I love that guy. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/300 "2016-06-15T17:08:03Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Of course it matters that he is the father. He is myopic and focused only on the impact this has on his son but his letter is hardly unethical or immoral. You think the father’s letter was bad, you shoud read the moms letter. It gives you an insight into why their son might have turned out the way he did. No, it doesn’t matter that he’s the father; that doesn’t give him a valid excuse to ignore the crime that his son committed and to denigrate the victim. You’re wrong here. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Tiger moms ain’t got NOTHING on white parents like this, and there are a lot more of them than you think. I don’t know what a “Tiger mom” is nor do I have any idea why you would need to note that the kid’s parents are white and so compare the two, unless this was just your way of getting in a little racist commentary. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > First of all, society hasn’t agreed on legal ethics, the legal profession has agreed on legal ethics. You’re wrong again. If society didn’t agree with them, we wouldn’t allow the legal profession to have them. Are you under the impression that lawyers are not part of society? > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Second of all, in what way is a father less obligated to his son than his attorney? The father is not a paid shill operating under a specific set of ethics, rules and laws. He is not, in fact, obligated to his son at all. You do not appear to understand the meaning of many of the words that you write, since you think that parent’s are “obligated” to their adult children, somehow. They are not. So his father is 100% less “obligated” to his son than the son’s lawyer. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I don’t see the denigration in the letter unless you are saying that almost ignoring her completely is a form of denigration. What moral or ethical obligation does the Turner family have to consider the welfare of the victim during the sentencing phase of the trial? Do they have to bury their loved one under the prison? > > No, not “anything at all is fine if it’s done in defense of a loved one” (I don’t recall saying that it was, or were you just beating the shit out of straw men?) but writing a letter (no matter how bad) is almost certainly OK. There are two or three sentences in his letter that offend me but I don’t think that the letter or the act of trying to get your son a lighter sentence is immoral or unethical. First, you’re the one constructing straw men, not me. What I wrote there is in no way a straw man and what you wrote calls into question whether or not you understand the term you used. In fact, there’s a lot of that kind of discrepancy in your writing. So you wrote that “no, not anything at all is fine” but just before that you asked if the family has to bury their loved one beneath the prison… you contradict yourself and offer mutually exclusive extremes without noticing the excluded middle. If there are things you think are out of bounds to do in defense of a loved one who has committed a heinous and violent crime, where is your line? Murder? Arson? Character assassination? Financial ruin? Kidnapping? You don’t appear to have aline while claiming that you do, which only weakens your position and your arguments further (if that’s possible). Your position is indefensible by a civilized person. You should either rethink it or your commitment to living in a society because they are incompatible. Personally, I don’t think society would suffer at all should you choose to remove yourself from it but I think you’ll find it easier to change your thinking than to live in isolation, but YMMV. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733.md?page=16)