# Stupid Privileged White Kid Gets 6 Months for Rape, Father describes it as "20 minutes of action" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 7, 2016, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733 "2016-06-07T14:12:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![fachverwirrt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/94ad74/32.png) [@fachverwirrt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fachverwirrt)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2016, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/361 "2016-09-05T22:20:11Z")
Given that rape originally meant “kidnap” I think the battle against shifting vernacular is already lost. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2016, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/362 "2016-09-05T22:41:47Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Again, my objection has nothing to do with the statutes, but only to do with the meaning of words. It may be that the vernacular is shifting to colloquially refer to all forms of sexual assault as “rape”, but if so that is unfortunate and I am going to resist it. (I don’t reflexively denounce all evolution in language, but I do lament when words go from having narrower and more specific meanings to broader and more general ones, because then you’ve lost a precision tool and gained nothing in compensation.) It’s only your belief that we’ve “gained nothing.” Maybe we gain an acknowledgement that non-consensual sexual assault can be just as traumatic as penetration, and that non-consensual penetration can be just as harrowing and traumatic and immoral when the instrument happens to be something other than a penis. > [@SlackerInc](#): > > Furthermore, in moral terms I also think it makes a significant difference. Rape is one of the oldest crimes, and long before we had Hobby Lobby et al, it was a primeval way of taking away a woman’s reproductive choices: the fundamental choice of when, and with whom, to procreate. Sexual assault as in this case is also a crime, an invasion of someone’s right to privacy and bodily integrity, but it does not carry with it this abrogation of reproductive choice. If reproductive choice is the fundamental criterion for determining rape, as you suggest, then a rapist wearing a condom is not, in your moral universe, a rapist. Neither is one who rapes a woman taking birth control, or a post-menopausal woman. And in this terminological sphere, male-on-male rape is literally impossible. Also, as **fachverwirrt** notes, the definition of rape, outside of the legal sphere, has long encompassed acts well beyond penile penetration. ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2016, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/363 "2016-09-05T23:51:10Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Furthermore, in moral terms I also think it makes a significant difference. Rape is one of the oldest crimes, and long before we had Hobby Lobby et al, it was a primeval way of taking away a woman’s reproductive choices: the fundamental choice of when, and with whom, to procreate. Sexual assault as in this case is also a crime, an invasion of someone’s right to privacy and bodily integrity, but it does not carry with it this abrogation of reproductive choice. So if the victim is infertile or post-menopausal, rape is not as serious a crime? ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/364 "2016-09-06T00:25:40Z")
> [@CairoCarol](#): > > So if the victim is infertile or post-menopausal, rape is not as serious a crime? Especially when they are kids. :rolleyes: I’m especially fond of forced oral sex, 'cause you know…not rape. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2016, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/365 "2016-09-06T00:26:22Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Rape is one of the oldest crimes, and long before we had Hobby Lobby et al, it was a primeval way of taking away a woman’s reproductive choices: the fundamental choice of when, and with whom, to procreate. It’s rather amusing that you would appeal to history, since, as Fachverwirrt points out, the historical meaning of “rape” is “abduction.” The meaning of “rape” has never been constant, especially in modern times. It has always varied based on context and time. Wikipedia: > [@](#): > > The definition of rape is inconsistent between governmental health organizations, law enforcement, health providers and legal professions.[17] **It has varied historically and culturally.** [16][17] Originally, rape had no sexual connotation and is still used in other contexts in English. In Roman law, it or raptus was classified as a form of crimen vis, “crime of assault”.[18][19] Raptus described the abduction of a woman against the will of the man under whose authority she lived, and sexual intercourse was not a necessary element. Other definitions of rape have changed over time. In 1940, a husband could not be charged with raping his wife. Sixty years ago, in some states, a white woman having consensual sex with a black man was considered rape.[20] ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2016, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/366 "2016-09-06T02:26:48Z")
> [@CairoCarol](#): > > So if the victim is infertile or post-menopausal, rape is not as serious a crime? I’m not going to fall into that trap, of seeming to dismiss it as “no big deal”. But I will say that getting a fertile woman pregnant via rape (which is quite possible, no matter what Todd Akin says) is a \*more \*serious crime. How about that? > [@Dangerosa](#): > > I’m especially fond of forced oral sex, 'cause you know…not rape. I think a \*lot \*of women would take that trade. Not, again, that both aren’t heinous! **Do not put that bullshit in my mouth.** But in the same sense as “I’m going to hold you down and cut off one of your fingers. Want me to cut off the index finger on your right hand, or the pinky of your left?” Both are horrendous, violent crimes–but most people would agree on which is worse, and which they’d choose if forced to. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2016, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/367 "2016-09-06T03:24:51Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I’m not going to fall into that trap, of seeming to dismiss it as “no big deal”. But I will say that getting a fertile woman pregnant via rape (which is quite possible, no matter what Todd Akin says) is a \*more \*serious crime. How about that? May I ask if you are male or female? Have you ever been raped, or had a female relative who has been raped? I’m curious as to why you think that way. I speak as a female who was raped while off of the pill, trying to get pregnant by my husband. And it’s my not so humble opinion that you are completely wrong. What happened to me, or to any person who is raped, is not valued by their age or fertility. It’s always wrong, it’s always awful, and circumstances don’t change that. ---
**Author:** ![russian\_heel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f05b48/32.png) [@russian\_heel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/russian_heel)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2016, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/368 "2016-09-06T05:57:25Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > One of the guys carrying a gun in [this story](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3773761/Brock-Turner-enjoys-freedom-Stanford-rapist-pictured-backyard-armed-protesters-gather-outside-home.html) is also carrying a sign that says, “Shoot your local rapist.” > > That got to be precariously close to stepping over the legal boundaries of free speech, doesn’t it? Not sure about the legalities of it, but the witch hunt for Brock Turner has gone waaaaay over the top. We GET IT. America is stuck in a “rape culture” but theres other ways to correct that other than stalking this kid for the rest of his life. He paid his debt to society, and his life is ruined. I suppose many of these people wont be satisfied until the kid takes his own life. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2016, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/369 "2016-09-06T06:05:30Z")
> [@russian\_heel](#): > > He paid his debt to society, and his life is ruined. He _escaped_ his debt to society. That’s the point of the thread. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2016, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/370 "2016-09-06T06:07:37Z")
Right. I think some people have forgotten that what might have happened to some extent if the story had not gotten much notice, namely that he would get out in a few months and go attend college somewhere else and still get a good job and take his place in the privileged white male elite, is not really an option any more. He is essentially unemployable, not to mention unmarriageable, so the best case scenario for him is that his parents are really rich and he can go live in Eastern Europe on their dime for the next decade at least. If they aren’t quite so rich, he will just have to hide out in their house forever (although they may need to find a new place to live themselves and who knows how their employment prospects are looking), and hope that they are able to leave him enough money when they die to buy groceries and pay the bills em dash or maybe he has siblings who can take care of him. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2016, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/371 "2016-09-06T11:37:25Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I’m not going to fall into that trap, of seeming to dismiss it as “no big deal”. But I will say that getting a fertile woman pregnant via rape (which is quite possible, no matter what Todd Akin says) is a \*more \*serious crime. How about that? > > I think a \*lot \*of women would take that trade. Not, again, that both aren’t heinous! **Do not put that bullshit in my mouth.** But in the same sense as “I’m going to hold you down and cut off one of your fingers. Want me to cut off the index finger on your right hand, or the pinky of your left?” Both are horrendous, violent crimes–but most people would agree on which is worse, and which they’d choose if forced to. I’m wondering, Slacker, if you’ve been raped? Because I have. And I’ve been sexually assaulted. And there is no worst, there is no choice to be made. Its Sophie’s Choice - there isn’t one. I do love it when a guy explains how women feel about rape. They have so much more expertise than those of us who have lived through it, attended group therapy, and worked crisis lines. That penis gives them a whole lot of insight. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2016, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/372 "2016-09-06T12:11:29Z")
> [@Baker](#): > > What happened to me, or to any person who is raped, is not valued by their age or fertility. It’s always wrong, it’s always awful, and circumstances don’t change that. Yes. Isn’t it even worse, if a woman is _also_ forced into unwanted pregnancy? It’s everything’s that’s always awful, plus an additional crime and violation. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2016, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/373 "2016-09-06T12:59:03Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > Yes. > > Isn’t it even worse, if a woman is _also_ forced into unwanted pregnancy? It’s everything’s that’s always awful, plus an additional crime and violation. The whole thing is so horrible that there isn’t a worse. There are simply indignities on top of indignities. AND different women will feel differently about different aspects of it. Some woman might find vaginal rape the most horrible thing imaginable - me - at least vaginal rape turned into some form of “lie back and think of England” you can remove yourself from…oral rape I couldn’t remove myself from in the moment. For me - what seems to be most humiliating in the Brock Turner case would not be the digital penetration, but that it was done behind a dumpster “in public” and that I ended up with dirt and leaves inside me. I mean, that’s what got him caught, but at the same time, that would probably bug me the most had I been the victim. Its so vulgar, gross, and dirty - which makes no rational sense, but that is the part that I viscerally react to. I think - and its an exercise in who knows really - that I’d rather been raped penis in vagina while passed out in a dorm room than discover that it had happened behind a dumpster and that I had leaves inside me. At least with a dorm room situation, I be able to fool myself that I had consented in a drunken stupor. ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2016, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/374 "2016-09-06T14:09:32Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > Yes. > > Isn’t it even worse, if a woman is _also_ forced into unwanted pregnancy? It’s everything’s that’s always awful, plus an additional crime and violation. The aftermath of a violent attack can be worse in some cases than others, certainly. A woman whose partner turns away from her, who experiences particularly severe PTSD, who gets an STD, who is forced to drop out of a competitive graduate school program she had her heart set on because of her injuries, or who gets pregnant, might have an even worse time afterward than a woman who has a supportive partner, who is fortunate enough to be psychologically resilient against this particular type of assault, who doesn’t catch an STD, who escapes relatively uninjured, and/or who doesn’t get pregnant. None of these outcomes says a damn thing about the culpability of the rapist or the inherent violence of the act. It is unimaginable to me that anyone would think that a woman’s fertility levels have ANY bearing on the severity of the crime. Clearly I need a new imagination. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2016, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/375 "2016-09-06T14:12:56Z")
[Pictures of Brock Turner registering in Ohio as a registered sex offender](https://twitter.com/GadiNBC/status/773157698963636225). ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2016, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/376 "2016-09-06T16:49:12Z")
> [@russian\_heel](#): > > Not sure about the legalities of it, but the witch hunt for Brock Turner has gone waaaaay over the top. Since precision in language is so important to all of us, I’d suggest that maybe using the term “witch hunt” - a phrase which references the legal murder of women who were factually innocent of the crimes for which they were killed - is inappropriate here. Brock Turner is guilty. There can be no witch hunt for him, unless we start accusing and punishing him of some other crime that he did not commit. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2016, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/377 "2016-09-06T17:22:05Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > If you thought it was wrong when Brock Turner did it, then it’s wrong when it’s done to Brock Turner. But Brock Turner and his dad think it’s OK so I guess it shouldn’t bother them if someone takes a hankerin’ to Brock. “My object all sublime …” ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2016, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/378 "2016-09-06T17:32:48Z")
I feel for his neighbors - they are the ones that did nothing wrong and now have protesters on their sidewalks and are likely to see the house they live next to vandalized. I said at the time when this first hit and I’ll say it again, in the age of the internet and sex offender registries, the judge did Turner no favors with a light sentence. He will be hounded for the rest of his life. And it wouldn’t surprise me if that life was short - if he’s hounded to his death and kills himself. Which, I think would be a shame, but wouldn’t surprise me. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2016, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/379 "2016-09-06T17:33:58Z")
> [@CairoCarol](#): > > None of these outcomes says a damn thing about the culpability of the rapist or the inherent violence of the act. Absolutely. ---
**Author:** ![spike\_beagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@spike\_beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spike_beagle)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2016, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/380 "2016-09-06T17:44:32Z")
Can’t his verdict be challenged in a higher court? I am not American , so i don’t know how the legal system in the US works. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733.md?page=20)