# Stupid Privileged White Kid Gets 6 Months for Rape, Father describes it as "20 minutes of action" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 7, 2016, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733 "2016-06-07T14:12:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2017, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/661 "2017-07-12T14:55:03Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Not a great excuse. We’re talking about rape here, not some misdemeanor. I’ve seen people’s lives ruined over a baggie of weed; you mean to tell me the correct time for leniency is when a rich white dudebro rapes someone? I think it’s clear from the judge’s statement that this was exactly his thought. He didn’t want to ruin a rich, white kid’s life over just his first rape. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2017, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/662 "2017-07-12T15:19:09Z")
What a douchebag. Rather than take responsibility for his own decision, he tries to blame the law. But, as he says, the law only obligates him to consider it. The decision was entirely his own. He has to defend the decision. And his defense before was really bad, considering how the kid would be affected rather than whether the punishment would be enough to keep him from reoffending, or whether he had paid his debt to society. Which is a real thing–that debt is the debt of all rapists. It is what tells a rape victim that it’s worth it to come forward, knowing the person who raped them will have to pay. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2017, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/663 "2017-07-12T15:46:48Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > I think it’s clear from the judge’s statement that this was exactly his thought. He didn’t want to ruin a rich, white kid’s life over just his first rape. He was not convicted of rape for fuck’s sake. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2017, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/664 "2017-07-12T15:52:15Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > He was not convicted of rape for fuck’s sake. Quite right. He was convicted of three counts of felony sexual assault. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2017, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/665 "2017-07-12T15:56:06Z")
> [@](#): > > Turner subsequently withdrew from Stanford and was charged with five felony counts, later reduced to three: assault with intent to commit rape of an intoxicated or unconscious person, sexual penetration of an intoxicated person and sexual penetration of an unconscious person. > Turner has been convicted on all counts. > **[Brock Turner found guilty on three felony counts](https://stanforddaily.com/2016/03/30/brock-turner-found-guilty-on-three-felony-counts/)** > > On Wednesday, a jury found former Stanford swimmer Brock Turner guilty of sexual assaulting an unconscious and intoxicated young woman outside a fraternity house. > [@AK84](#): > > He was not convicted of rape for fuck’s sake. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2017, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/666 "2017-07-12T16:15:55Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > [Brock Turner found guilty on three felony counts](http://www.stanforddaily.com/2016/03/30/brock-turner-found-guilty-on-three-felony-counts/) > > :rolleyes: Here is a :rolleyes: back at you jackass.[Per wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_v._Turner#Indictment_and_charges) > [@](#): > > n January 28, 2015, Turner was indicted on five charges: > > Rape of an intoxicated person > Rape of an unconscious person > Assault with intent to rape an intoxicated woman > Sexually penetrating an intoxicated person with a foreign object > Sexually penetrating an unconscious person with a foreign object[8] > The two formal charges of rape under California state law were dropped at a preliminary hearing on October 7, 2015,[55] after DNA testing revealed no genetic evidence of genital-to-genital contact.[3][4] He was charged with two counts of rape; charges which were dropped due to a lack of evidence. He was convicted of the other three charges; after a full trial. As per the law as laid down in the jurisidiction he was in, he was not convicted of rape. Whch is what I said. Now kindly go spread your ass cheeks and sit down on a cactus. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2017, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/667 "2017-07-12T16:16:34Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > He was not convicted of rape for fuck’s sake. This is a meaningless nitpick. It’s felony sexual assault. That along with the actual description of what he did is legitimately described as rape in casual conversation, even if that’s not what the formal criminal charge is titled. I don’t know why you use that tone of exasperation. It’s not like what he did or what he was charged with is significantly less reprehensible than what “rape” signifies in your mind, whether defined by law or not. He is an actual rapist, for _fuck’s sake_. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2017, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/668 "2017-07-12T16:17:00Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > He was not convicted of rape for fuck’s sake. Yeah, and we also shouldn’t talk about someone drunk driving, because the technical legal offense was Driving Under the Influence of Alcohol! ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2017, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/669 "2017-07-12T16:24:17Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Here is a :rolleyes: back at you jackass. Like I care about the opinion of a rape apologist. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2017, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/670 "2017-07-12T16:25:16Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Quite right. He was convicted of three counts of felony sexual assault. Does it count if he [touched](http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/sexual-assault-overview.html) her with his penis? > [@findlaw](#): > > Most states have made sexual assault the umbrella term for other crimes, such as rape and unwanted sexual contact. Some states distinguish between crimes involving penetration and crimes involving coerced or involuntary touching, making the former an aggravated or first-degree sexual assault and the latter a lower-level sexual assault. Sounds like the distinction is fuzzy. And regarding papa’s “twenty minutes of action” from some months ago, I’d like to move a broomstick in and out of his ass for twenty minutes just to see if he changes his mind. I’d render him unconscious first, if he likes. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2017, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/671 "2017-07-12T16:27:04Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > Yeah, and we also shouldn’t talk about someone drunk driving, because the technical legal offense was Driving Under the Influence of Alcohol! No, we shouldn’t talk about drunk driving when someone is convicted of texting whilst driving. Different crime, different punishment, different law in general despite the effect being somewhat similar for the victim. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2017, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/672 "2017-07-12T16:29:32Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > He was not convicted of rape for fuck’s sake. Thank you for joining the conversation on page 14 to make this incredibly helpful observation. You might be interested to know that we had this discussion about a year ago, all the way back on page 8. And in that discussion some of us pointed out that common or vernacular usage is not constrained or limited by legal usage. Many people believe that it is reasonable to refer to this guy as a rapist, and to his actions as rape, even if that’s not exactly how it was defined for the purpose of his court case. Basically, for me, if you jam a foreign object into a non-consenting woman, it’s not much different from using a penis, and i’ll still see you as a rapist. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2017, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/673 "2017-07-12T16:36:08Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > This is a meaningless nitpick. It’s felony sexual assault. That along with the actual description of what he did is legitimately described as rape in casual conversation, even if that’s not what the formal criminal charge is titled. > > I don’t know why you use that tone of exasperation. It’s not like what he did or what he was charged with is significantly less reprehensible than what “rape” signifies in your mind, whether defined by law or not. > > He is an actual rapist, for _fuck’s sake_. Its not a nitpick when the question being discussed is the propriety of a judicial ruling which is what you do in your post. It was not about “casual conversation”. And the fact that you insist upon using it (besides once again displaying your proclivity for jumping onto every trendy bandwagon, leaving your otherwise considerable sense behind) means that you are not discussing the issue in its proper context. Also, rape (which he was not convicted for) is absolutely more reprehensible than assault; same way causing Grievous Bodily Harm is more reprehensible than simple battery despite both being very properly crimes, with the attendant differences in sanctions. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2017, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/674 "2017-07-12T16:40:34Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > And in that discussion some of us pointed out that common or vernacular usage is not constrained or limited by legal usage. Many people believe that it is reasonable to refer to this guy as a rapist, and to his actions as rape, even if that’s not exactly how it was defined for the purpose of his court case. It absolutely is when the question is whether a Judicial Officer exercised his discretion properly according to the law. Which is the exchange which led to the present posts. The issue with respect to the Judge is not common or vernacular usage, it absolutely is legal usage. To take a real world example, many people would be comfortable with calling the actions of the Rosenbergs treasonous and them traitors. However, what they were actually convicted of was espionage. If the merits of the case is being discussed, then the legal definition should be the one which is used. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2017, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/675 "2017-07-12T16:49:47Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Its not a nitpick when the question being discussed is the propriety of a judicial ruling which is what you do in your post. It was not about “casual conversation”. And the fact that you insist upon using it (besides once again displaying your proclivity for jumping onto every trendy bandwagon, leaving your otherwise considerable sense behind) means that you are not discussing the issue in its proper context. > > Also, rape (which he was not convicted for) is absolutely more reprehensible than assault; same way causing Grievous Bodily Harm is more reprehensible than simple battery despite both being very properly crimes, with the attendant differences in sanctions. When the question is whether the judge appropriately exercised his discretion in this case, the appeal to the distinction between the offense titled rape and the offense titled felony sexual assault is absolutely apologist nitpicking. The kid jammed something into the bodily orifice of a woman who was incapable of consent. The judge’s discretion should have been used to acknowledge that this is exactly as reprehensible as using his penis. This is rape in every sense except for the purposes of defining the specific charge by the prosecution. This is absolutely not a meaningful distinction when talking about what is the reasonable exercise of the judge’s discretion. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2017, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/676 "2017-07-12T17:01:05Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > When the question is whether the judge appropriately exercised his discretion in this case, the appeal to the distinction between the offense titled rape and the offense titled felony sexual assault is absolutely apologist nitpicking. > > The kid jammed something into the bodily orifice of a woman who was incapable of consent. The judge’s discretion should have been used to acknowledge that this is exactly as reprehensible as using his penis. > > This is rape in every sense except for the purposes of defining the specific charge by the prosecution. > > This is absolutely not a meaningful distinction when talking about what is the reasonable exercise of the judge’s discretion. I am sorry, but what you are saying is that the Judge should have decided the sentence as if the Accused had been convicted of a higher offense, not according to what a jury actually found him guilty for? So for a manslaughter conviction, the sentence should be awarded according to what the criteria for a sentence for murder should be, since killing is killing? For theft, the Court should treat the Accused as if he had been convicted of armed robbery, since hey, he took property belonging to another regardless For every class of offense, the accused should be punished according to the criteria laid down for the highest crime in that class, because hey they basically are the same? And this is before we even consider the issue of mitigating circumstances that the Judge may by law consider. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2017, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/677 "2017-07-12T17:11:29Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > I am sorry, but what you are saying is that the Judge should have decided the sentence as if the Accused had been convicted of a higher offense, not according to what a jury actually found him guilty for? > > So for a manslaughter conviction, the sentence should be awarded according to what the criteria for a sentence for murder should be, since killing is killing? > > For theft, the Court should treat the Accused as if he had been convicted of armed robbery, since hey, he took property belonging to another regardless > For every class of offense, the accused should be punished according to the criteria laid down for the highest crime in that class, because hey they basically are the same? > > And this is before we even consider the issue of mitigating circumstances that the Judge may by law consider. This is nonsense. The judge has discretion to impose a penalty for the charge A at minimum X and at maximum Y. At that point, the relevance of the titled definition of charge A ends. I am not saying the judge should impose a penalty for charge B, which is what your nonsensical nitpick implies. Whether we in casual conversation are using the same word for A and B is a silly thing to quibble over. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2017, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/678 "2017-07-12T17:12:41Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > I am sorry, but what you are saying is that the Judge should have decided the sentence as if the Accused had been convicted of a higher offense, not according to what a jury actually found him guilty for? Actually, what most of us have been saying in this thread—as you would know if you had bothered to read it—is that the judge should have properly decided the sentence based on what a jury actually found him guilty for. The prosecution asked for a 6-year prison term, and this was within the judge’s discretion based on the three felony counts of which Turner was convicted. And this would have been a much more appropriate sentence. It is also appropriate, in my opinion, to refer to Turner as a rapist because one of the charges of which he was convicted was “Assault with intent to rape an intoxicated woman.” If you’re found legally guilty of assault with intent to rape, then you can reasonably be described as a rapist, even if the intervention of two good samaritans prevented you from carrying out your nefarious intent. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2017, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/679 "2017-07-12T17:35:46Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > And this is before we even consider the issue of mitigating circumstances that the Judge may by law consider. The mitigating circumstances were that he was a rich white male. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2017, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/680 "2017-07-12T18:01:14Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > It absolutely is when the question is whether a Judicial Officer exercised his discretion properly according to the law. Had the evidence of genital contact been present, the rape charges not dismissed, and the conviction taken place, would the Judicial Officer still have had the same discretion to exercise? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733.md?page=33) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733.md?page=35)