# Stupid Privileged White Kid Gets 6 Months for Rape, Father describes it as "20 minutes of action" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 7, 2016, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733 "2016-06-07T14:12:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2017, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/721 "2017-12-04T17:48:27Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > > [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > > > Talking with a defense lawyer about this and he stated: “Pearce is about judicial vindictiveness. The general rule is you only can get a harsher sentence if the judge states reasons on the record. Wouldn’t be hard to justify here.” > > Reasons that the judge didn’t know when the first sentence was handed down. As I recall, the defendant/convicted rapist claimed that he was an innocent, corrupted by the big city folks after arriving at Stanford. But someone showed emails and text messages he sent as a high school student talking about extensive alcohol and drug usage. So the claims of innocence were bullshit. I don’t know if this information was considered by the original judge. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/722 "2017-12-08T01:46:45Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > The victim in this case is made of steel. She told the first judge that he’d “ignited a tiny fire” and that was reason for us all[to speak louder.](https://www.buzzfeed.com/katiejmbaker/heres-the-powerful-letter-the-stanford-victim-read-to-her-ra?utm_term=.dnvWM1eJG#.cqyBlZ72N) > > She might actually welcome this. I can relate to the victim on some level with regard to feeling that need to speak louder. What is likely the case, and that she is unlikely to articulate, is that it is exhausting, painful, emotional labor to speak at all. I’m not inside her brain but I find it unlikely she would look forward to another cross-examination. Especially as her main point to this fucktard in that very courageous letter was that she found the cross-examination to be extraordinarily painful and a huge factor in her anger toward him. Basically, after all that, he didn’t hear her at all. He genuinely does not give a fuck about the pain he caused, and is all too happy to cause some more. There isn’t a pit of hellfire deep enough for this jackass. ---
**Author:** ![Algher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Algher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algher)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/723 "2017-12-08T02:29:30Z")
I would like to add in that the area behind the dumpster enclosure is not very visible. The path between the domiciles is not often traveled, and the path on the other side of the basketball court is just distant enough, especially given all of the trees in the area: https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=37.4207858,-122.1739579&z=21&output=embed&dg=ntvb Claiming that he raped in plain sight could be easily disproven IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/724 "2017-12-08T03:22:24Z")
I don’t understand the argument about the dumpster. If it was rape he would want to avoid being detected. But if it was consensual people usually want privacy when engaging in sex. So in both situations the sex would likely occur in a hard-to-see place. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/725 "2017-12-08T03:51:07Z")
The first brief was rejected as being overlarge. Brock’s attorney has 15 days to trim it down. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/726 "2017-12-08T23:07:01Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Let’s just disabuse this bullshit right now: fuck that. He’s not trying to “protect” his son, he’s trying to help his son escape the consequences of his actions. He’s a fucking douchebag who’s unable to place “right & wrong” above “family” and I say that being a blood relation is no excuse for ignoring criminal "action"s. If his son had murdered a bus full of nuns, would you still give his father a pass? At some point, a person’s actions are so reprehensible that any ties of blood or friendship should not matter when assessing a person’s guilt and/or punishment. > > No one is above the law, not even those we love. I agree. Fuck that bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/727 "2017-12-08T23:44:36Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > I don’t understand the argument about the dumpster. If it was rape he would want to avoid being detected. But if it was consensual people usually want privacy when engaging in sex. So in both situations the sex would likely occur in a hard-to-see place. But who would willingly have sex behind a dumpster? ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/728 "2017-12-08T23:57:52Z")
Drunk college kids, I guess? ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2017, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/729 "2017-12-09T00:02:39Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > Drunk college kids, I guess? It seems unlikely to me that a pair of drunk college kids would lie down on the ground behind a dumpster and have sex. Like not completely out of the realm of possibility, but highly unlikely. On the flip side, I have heard multiple survivor stories of being raped behind a dumpster. Not that it matters a whit in this case, given he was witnessed by two other people penetrating an unconscious woman. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2017, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/730 "2017-12-09T00:05:21Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > But who would willingly have sex behind a dumpster? When you’re 18 or 19, any port in a storm. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2017, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/731 "2017-12-09T00:32:40Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > When you’re 18 or 19, any port in a storm. I’ll take your word for it… but eww. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2017, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/732 "2017-12-09T01:07:07Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > But who would willingly have sex behind a dumpster? Frank Reyolds? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/733 "2018-05-18T17:10:37Z")
[California judge in rape case has no regrets](https://apnews.com/f8ffe5c1565d42a0b6a0a29e7dd2e085/AP-Exclusive:-California-judge-in-rape-case-has-no-regrets). > [@](#): > > The Northern California judge says he would handle the sexual assault case of former Stanford University swimmer Brock Turner the same way today as he did almost two years ago, though it’s the reason he is the target of a June 5 recall election and has become the self-described “most hated man on the internet.” > > In a lengthy interview with The Associated Press, the wiry 56-year-old former college lacrosse player argued the Santa Clara County recall effort is “fundamentally unfair” because it boils down a thick criminal case to Twitter hashtags. He gets a little teary-eyed when he talks about being turned into a one-dimensional caricature as the judge who condones rape. > > “I expected some negative reaction,” Persky said. “But not this.” > [@](#): > > Persky says he has resisted friends’ call to quit and relieve the mounting pressure on his wife and two young sons because judicial independence is at stake. He is fighting the effort, he says, because recalling judges over unpopular rulings threatens the integrity of the judiciary. > [@](#): > > On June 2, 2016, Persky followed the county probation department’s recommendation when he sentenced Turner to six months in jail for sexually assaulting an unconscious woman who came to be known as Emily Doe. Turner is also required to register for life as a sex offender. IMO this guy is trying to hide behind a thick screen of “nothing to see here”: > [@](#): > > On June 2, 2016, Persky followed the county probation department’s recommendation when he sentenced Turner to six months in jail for sexually assaulting an unconscious woman who came to be known as Emily Doe. Turner is also required to register for life as a sex offender. > [@](#): > > Persky also declined to elaborate on his reasoning for Turner’s sentence, which was widely criticized as too lenient. “Just trust me” is the wrong answer here, Judge: people already _don’t_ trust you. Oh, and did you catch that mention of an appeal? > [@](#): > > Turner is appealing his jury conviction, arguing he didn’t get a fair trial because character witnesses were barred from testifying about his honesty, scholastic success and his swimming career. Oral arguments are scheduled for June 28 in San Jose. Should we start taking bets on how the appeal will turn out? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/734 "2018-05-18T17:33:03Z")
What the fuck would his scholastic success and his swimming career have to do with anything??? Unless he contends that only dumb kids who can’t swim can rape. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/735 "2018-05-18T21:45:22Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > What the fuck would his scholastic success and his swimming career have to do with anything??? > > Unless he contends that only dumb kids who can’t swim can rape. AFAICT the argument goes like this: “Rapist has led a great life, with much success and awesomeness, until this unpleasantness. The real tragedy would be to deprive such a powerhouse of a person, smart AND athletically gifted, of the opportunity to fully realize their potential. Rapist is so overwhelmingly, staggeringly amazing that this incident, while regrettable, should be allowed to just remain buried, in the past and inaccessible. C’mon, give him a break yeah fuggedabowtit let’s all just move on amirite.” ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/736 "2018-05-18T22:05:25Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > AFAICT the argument goes like this: “Rapist has led a great life, with much success and awesomeness, until this unpleasantness. The real tragedy would be to deprive such a powerhouse of a person, smart AND athletically gifted, of the opportunity to fully realize their potential. Rapist is so overwhelmingly, staggeringly amazing that this incident, while regrettable, should be allowed to just remain buried, in the past and inaccessible. C’mon, give him a break yeah fuggedabowtit let’s all just move on amirite.” You left out “He’s melanin challenged, so he’s not genetically predisposed to being a criminal.” CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2018, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/737 "2018-05-19T01:33:24Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > IMO this guy is trying to hide behind a thick screen of “nothing to see here” Can you check the quote immediately preceding this comment? I don’t think it is the quote you intended to put there. It is the same quote as the one after this comment. As far as your point about the judge saying “just trust me,” that’s not what I got out of the article. It sounds like he is saying that he followed guidelines established by the county probation department, and that’s all he is going to say because the issue is on appeal. Not saying anything right now seems a reasonable course to me under the circumstances. I also agree with him that the integrity of the judiciary is at stake. What he didn’t mention is the accountability of the judiciary to reasonable standards in sentencing. If that sentence followed the guidelines of the county probation department, those guidelines are among things that need to be changed. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2018, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/738 "2018-05-19T01:38:20Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > Can you check the quote immediately preceding this comment? I don’t think it is the quote you intended to put there. It is the same quote as the one after this comment. > > As far as your point about the judge saying “just trust me,” that’s not what I got out of the article. It sounds like he is saying that he followed guidelines established by the county probation department, and that’s all he is going to say because the issue is on appeal. Not saying anything right now seems a reasonable course to me under the circumstances. > > I also agree with him that the integrity of the judiciary is at stake. What he didn’t mention is the accountability of the judiciary to reasonable standards in sentencing. If that sentence followed the guidelines of the county probation department, those guidelines are among things that need to be changed. Never mind that the probation department has not one fucking thing to do with sentencing other than writing a report about their opinion. Sentencing is specified in the Penal code, not “probation guidelines.” Judges have some discretion in sentencing within preset limits. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2018, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/739 "2018-05-19T01:44:06Z")
And so I will say it here: I think the guy himself was a rapist at one point. I can’t believe that someone could otherwise be this clueless. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2018, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/740 "2018-05-19T02:08:01Z")
Did he do the crime? Yes? Then he does the time. All of this other bullshit is completely irrelevant. Mark my words, this loser will re-offend. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733.md?page=36) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733.md?page=38)