# Stupid Privileged White Kid Gets 6 Months for Rape, Father describes it as "20 minutes of action" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 7, 2016, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733 "2016-06-07T14:12:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 46
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/901 "2018-08-15T16:59:10Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > How does this reduce Brock Turner’s guilt? > > If I leave my keys in my car, and the car is stolen, I absolutely acted in a stupid way that led to my car being stolen. > > The car thief is still one hundred percent guilty. But you are saying that the victim (you) acted in a stupid way. I thought that wasn’t allowed when it came to rape? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/902 "2018-08-15T17:16:25Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > But you are saying that the victim (you) acted in a stupid way. I thought that wasn’t allowed when it came to rape? If you want it to be legal to have sex with passed out drunk women, you should petition your Congressman. As it stands, it’s not. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/903 "2018-08-15T17:16:47Z")
Just checking in here: y’all realize this a troll, right? I’m not trying to be elitist or anything, but I do want to make sure we’re on the same page here, and not getting too invested in this guy. There is a possibility that someone might come in and bring up this concept legit , but they’re not going to do it in this way. This was deliberately provocative without any indication of a good faith effort to discuss the topic. And further responses only confirm this initial suspicion. This is someone who told himself “see those libtards. Bet I can go piss them off. Watch me, bro!” I could get more specific, but I don’t like to help trolls figure out how to hide their trolling better. I will say that defending convincted rapist Brock Turner is a low that even the alt-right doesn’t even try. So go back to your MRA and Incel forums where you can whine about how unfair it is that you can’t use alcohol to rape women. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/904 "2018-08-15T17:48:06Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > If you want it to be legal to have sex with passed out drunk women, you should petition your Congressman. As it stands, it’s not. I do not see any way that this pertains to what I posted. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/905 "2018-08-15T17:51:53Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Just checking in here: y’all realize this a troll, right? I’m not trying to be elitist or anything, but I do want to make sure we’re on the same page here, and not getting too invested in this guy. Hear what you’re saying, but he’s actually posted a few non trollolol posts that make me wonder if he isn’t just a bitter post middle aged guy\* in a loveless relationship\*\* who’s now got deep seated rage issues against women. - > [@Best SF Film you have seen](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/best-sf-film-you-have-seen/819514/35): > > Hands down the time travelers (1964.) It had everything a 5-year old needed for his first science fiction movie: the concept of time travel, robots, the first time I learned of hydroponics, the first time I heard of Alpha Centauri, mutation in humans. And Steve Franken as Danny McKee kept everything from looking too dire and frightful. \*\* > [@22 years](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/22-years/819451/14): > > Nineteen years, living semi-separated. Could have ended altogether on the second or fifth year. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/906 "2018-08-15T19:39:27Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > But you are saying that the victim (you) acted in a stupid way. I thought that wasn’t allowed when it came to rape? 1. Acting in a stupid manner doesn’t have anything to do with the blameworthiness of the perpetrator. 2. A lot of what rape victims are said to have been “Stupid” about is either not stupid, or is something women are criticized for that men aren’t. 3. Telling the victim of a vicious crime that they acted stupidly is unnecessarily cruel. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/907 "2018-08-15T19:43:09Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > 1. Acting in a stupid manner doesn’t have anything to do with the blameworthiness of the perpetrator. > > 2. A lot of what rape victims are said to have been “Stupid” about is either not stupid, or is something women are criticized for that men aren’t. > > 3. Telling the victim of a vicious crime that they acted stupidly is unnecessarily cruel. I agree with all these. That’s why the analogy shouldn’t be used. No analogies are necessary actually. Just “The rapist is at fault” said over and over again. Analogies to other crimes seem to bring elements in that don’t exist in a rape. That’s all I meant. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/908 "2018-08-15T19:43:33Z")
> [@Sloe\_Moe](#): > > Sorry, but last time I checked, the victim has not showed signs of taking some kind of responsibility for what happened, besides thinking her alcohol tolerance was still college-level :rolleyes: The only consequence she should have expected was a hangover. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/909 "2018-08-15T20:33:06Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I do not see any way that this pertains to what I posted. You are saying that a rape victim being drunk is a righteous point to make. You are mocking the idea that bringing it up is a bad thing. The logical conclusion is that you think raping passed out drunk women is not as bad as raping a sober woman. That’s how it pertains to your post. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/910 "2018-08-15T23:10:08Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > You are saying that a rape victim being drunk is a righteous point to make. I am? That’s news to me. I thought saying the victim of rape did something stupid was not allowed? Are you saying it is? ---
**Author:** ![Sloe\_Moe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8797f3/32.png) [@Sloe\_Moe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sloe_Moe)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2018, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/911 "2018-08-15T23:13:52Z")
They took a long time to get to the point but we finally have it: we are cruel. But facts are right there. He’s a rapist, she’s stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2018, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/912 "2018-08-16T03:37:44Z")
How is this hard to understand? If I meet a girl at a party. She’s all over me. She’s kissing me. She says, “I want you!” over and over. She’s wasted, continues drinking. Then she passes out. If I then, after all of this and her “stupid” behavior, I have sex with her, I raped her. Stupidity or stupid behavior doesn’t give another person reason to act stupid too. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2018, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/913 "2018-08-16T13:46:59Z")
> [@Sloe\_Moe](#): > > He’s a rapist, she’s stupid. One is a crime, one is not. I’ll wait until you figure out which is which. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/914 "2019-08-28T22:56:55Z")
In the news today. [Brock Turner Loses Appeal to Overturn Sexual Assault Conviction](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/09/us/brock-turner-appeal.html) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/915 "2019-08-29T01:54:46Z")
Good. ---
**Author:** ![Poysyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Poysyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Poysyn)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2019, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/916 "2019-09-04T17:09:20Z")
I am late to the party, but since I actually teach a class in supporting survivors and re-thinking prevention, here is my wee input: 1. Tips like “Stay together” is not about rape-prevention, but about risk minimization. Even if, through my actions, I eliminate my own risk of being assaulted in that moment, that offender has not learned that what they were about to do was wrong, and they will still go on to find a more vulnerable target. This has been proven by years and years and years of “prevention” tips that have not done a damn thing to change the number of assaults. 2. The only way to prevent rape/sexual assault is to not rape or assault anyone - that comes through a culture change and re-thinking consent. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2019, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/917 "2019-09-04T19:13:56Z")
> [@Poysyn](#): > > 2)The only way to prevent rape/sexual assault is to not rape or assault anyone I’ve heard that before, and it is a really weird and stupid thing to say. “The only way to prevent robbery is to not rob anyone.” “The only way to prevent murder is to not murder anyone.” “The only way to prevent tax fraud is to not cheat on your taxes.” “The only way to prevent global warming is to not warm the globe.” Do you not see how trivial that is to say, and how utterly useless it is? ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2019, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/918 "2019-09-04T19:20:58Z")
Woman assaulted by Turner publishes a book about it: [https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/04/books/chanel-miller-brock-turner-assault-stanford.html?action=click&module=Well&pgtype=Homepage§ion=Books](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/04/books/chanel-miller-brock-turner-assault-stanford.html?action=click&module=Well&pgtype=Homepage§ion=Books) ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2019, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/919 "2019-09-04T20:42:02Z")
> [@Poysyn](#): > > The only way to prevent rape/sexual assault is to not rape or assault anyone - that comes through a culture change and re-thinking consent. I’m not seeing the logic of this. I’ve never raped or sexually assaulted anyone in my entire lifetime. But obviously, my actions did not prevent rapes and sexual assaults from happening during that period. It seems almost flippant for somebody to say their contribution to stopping sexual crimes is to not personally commit any - and nothing further. They’re just standing by while the problem continues unabated. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2019, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733/920 "2019-09-04T20:44:55Z")
[The AP has a story about Ms. Miller and her book as well](https://apnews.com/6a82d2a8cc8f4074b89344347cc814d1). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733.md?page=45) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-privileged-white-kid-gets-6-months-for-rape-father-describes-it-as-20-minutes-of-action/756733.md?page=47)