# Stupid religious idea of the day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 15, 2015, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-religious-idea-of-the-day/709928 "2015-01-15T20:39:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-religious-idea-of-the-day/709928/1 "2015-01-15T20:39:59Z")
[Pope Francis: You cannot make fun of the faith of others.](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/the-pope/11347931/Pope-Francis-You-cannot-make-fun-of-the-faith-of-others.html) He goes on to add, “There must be limits to free speech when it comes to religion.” It reminds me of the quote attributed to Ayatollah Khomeini, “There are no jokes in Islam.” And President Obama in 2012, “The future must not belong to those who disrespect the Prophet.” WTF? This is all dangerous nonsense. Yes, you can and should be able to make fun of the faith of others, just as you should be able to make fun of all things. If there are no jokes in Islam it’s about fucking time they made some. And no, Mr President, the future should belong to all of us, those who disrespect the Prophet, those who respect him and those who couldn’t give a flying fuck about him or any other figure supposedly in touch with some god or other. I used to think when I was younger that religion was pretty much a busted flush. It had its chance to lord it over us and who in their right mind wants a repeat of that? Of course, I reasoned without Islam, stuck in the Dark Ages, and a Christianity which would be happy to gag us all again. Religious leaders detest the idea that people should be free to mock them. Fuck them all and fuck their multiple godheads with them. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-religious-idea-of-the-day/709928/2 "2015-01-15T20:44:04Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > President Obama in 2012, “The future must not belong to those who disrespect the Prophet.” No offense, but is this a legitimate quote? Regards, Shodan ETA: The Pope also said “One cannot make war [or] kill in the name of one’s own religion, that is, in the name of God.” So your title is a trifle misleading. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-religious-idea-of-the-day/709928/3 "2015-01-15T20:52:03Z")
I can get on board with this. Let’s start with the strange case of Pastor Ray Chavez of New Hope Ministries, Lakewood, CO, who 15 minutes into a funeral service for one of his parishoners, determined that he could not continue the service because [he had only then learned that she was a lesbian and that photos of her and her wife were on display around her casket](http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/01/14/3611473/remembering-vanessa-collier/). ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-religious-idea-of-the-day/709928/4 "2015-01-15T20:56:20Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > [Pope Francis: You cannot make fun of the faith of others.](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/the-pope/11347931/Pope-Francis-You-cannot-make-fun-of-the-faith-of-others.html) > [@](#): > > Gesturing towards Alberto Gasparri, a Vatican official who organises pontifical trips and who was standing next to him on board the plane, he said: “If my good friend Dr Gasparri says a curse word against my mother, he can expect a punch in the nose.” > > Throwing a pretend punch, the Pope said: “It’s normal. You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others.” The **Pope** can’t turn the other cheek?! ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-religious-idea-of-the-day/709928/5 "2015-01-15T20:57:03Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > No offense, but is this a legitimate quote? I repeat the question, but with all the offense I can stuff into it. Here’s the transcript from [WhiteHouse.gov](http://WhiteHouse.gov): > [@Broncobama](#): > > [There is no speech that justifies mindless violence. (Applause.) There are no words that excuse the killing of innocents. There’s no video that justifies an attack on an embassy. There’s no slander that provides an excuse for people to burn a restaurant in Lebanon, or destroy a school in Tunis, or cause death and destruction in Pakistan. …The future must not belong to those who target Coptic Christians in Egypt – it must be claimed by those in Tahrir Square who chanted, “Muslims, Christians, we are one.” The future must not belong to those who bully women – it must be shaped by girls who go to school, and those who stand for a world where our daughters can live their dreams just like our sons. > > The future must not belong to those corrupt few who steal a country’s resources – it must be won by the students and entrepreneurs, the workers and business owners who seek a broader prosperity for all people. Those are the women and men that America stands with; theirs is the vision we will support. > > **The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.** But to be credible, those who condemn that slander must also condemn the hate we see in the images of Jesus Christ that are desecrated, or churches that are destroyed, or the Holocaust that is denied.]([Remarks by the President to the UN General Assembly | whitehouse.gov](http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/09/25/remarks-president-un-general-assembly)) ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-religious-idea-of-the-day/709928/6 "2015-01-15T21:02:59Z")
Thank Og! My DREAM THREAD!!! We’ll start with a classic: [Eat Da Poo Poo!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euXQbZDwV0w) And as far as the link in the OP, limiting free speech on religion is the only way to keep religion alive! Duh. No wonder the Chief In the Dress said that. In ten seconds I can grab at least 20 pics of Jeebus schtupping a velociraptor or T-Rex, but one picture of Muhammed the molester on a newspaper means we just shut up? Religion and its practices/rules/laws should be called into question each day as more murder arises. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-religious-idea-of-the-day/709928/7 "2015-01-15T21:09:01Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > The **Pope** can’t turn the other cheek?! Cut him some slack, he’s Ita… wait, we’ve done that bit already, haven’t we ? ---
**Author:** ![yanceylebeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yanceylebeef/32/12290_2.png) [@yanceylebeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yanceylebeef)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-religious-idea-of-the-day/709928/8 "2015-01-15T21:28:49Z")
Not sure if stupid, or mendacious, but this[Lakewood Colorado Church](http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/colorado-pastor-halts-lesbians-funeral-when-family-refuses-to-hide-all-signs-that-she-was-gay/) is in the running for Dick Move of 2015 already. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-religious-idea-of-the-day/709928/9 "2015-01-15T21:33:50Z")
> [@yanceylebeef](#): > > Not sure if stupid, or mendacious, but this[Lakewood Colorado Church](http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/colorado-pastor-halts-lesbians-funeral-when-family-refuses-to-hide-all-signs-that-she-was-gay/) is in the running for Dick Move of 2015 already. That seems to be the same story mentioned a few messages back. Apparently it goes beyond stupidity into outright criminality – the church has reportedly refused to refund the money for the funeral. Apparently they use a version of the [Adulterous Bible](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicked_Bible) with the missing “not” one Commandment further down the list, creating the Thieves’ Bible version. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-religious-idea-of-the-day/709928/10 "2015-01-15T21:52:39Z")
Thanks for the quote, **bup** , but that’s even dumber than what the Pope said. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![yanceylebeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yanceylebeef/32/12290_2.png) [@yanceylebeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yanceylebeef)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-religious-idea-of-the-day/709928/11 "2015-01-15T21:52:52Z")
Whoops. didn’t see **Smapti’s** post when I chimed in. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2015, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-religious-idea-of-the-day/709928/12 "2015-01-16T02:14:01Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > The **Pope** can’t turn the other cheek?! Once a bouncer… Anyway, in that hypothetical the doctor dissed his mama. What do you expect? ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2015, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-religious-idea-of-the-day/709928/13 "2015-01-16T02:55:50Z")
The Pope should win some kind of award for “most quotes misconstrued or misinterpreted by the media and people in general.” He is not speaking _ex cathedra_ every time he says something, or else dogma would dictate that San Lorenzo de Almagro is the Holiest football club. Err… just saying, “The future must not belong to those who disrespect the Prophet.” is **very different** than “The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.” The former sounds like some RW misquote revealing Obama’s secret religion, capitalization and all. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2015, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-religious-idea-of-the-day/709928/14 "2015-01-16T03:41:02Z")
Stupid religious idea of the day? I thought one of the joys or religion is not having to come up with new ideas. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2015, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-religious-idea-of-the-day/709928/15 "2015-01-16T05:26:13Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Cut him some slack, he’s Ita… wait, we’ve done that bit already, haven’t we ? To be fair, he’s Argentinian. Otherwise, yeah. ---
**Author:** ![Staggerlee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/staggerlee/32/3134_2.png) [@Staggerlee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Staggerlee)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2015, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-religious-idea-of-the-day/709928/16 "2015-01-16T18:05:39Z")
Much as I think relgion of all stripes epitomises the waste of good lives, that misrepresentation of Obama is more insidious and hateful. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2015, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-religious-idea-of-the-day/709928/17 "2015-01-16T18:14:20Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Once a bouncer… Anyway, in that hypothetical the doctor dissed his mama. What do you expect? Well, I don’t recall Jesus carving out a “no Mammas” exception. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2015, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-religious-idea-of-the-day/709928/18 "2015-01-16T18:21:31Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > [Pope Francis: You cannot make fun of the faith of others.](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/the-pope/11347931/Pope-Francis-You-cannot-make-fun-of-the-faith-of-others.html) > [@Shodan](#): > > ETA: The Pope also said “One cannot make war [or] kill in the name of one’s own religion, that is, in the name of God.” So your title is a trifle misleading. I didn’t know until I read the linked article, and I’m still not sure, in what sense the Pope meant “You cannot.” When people say “You can’t” do something, they could mean that it’s against the law, or against the laws of physics, or against good manners, or against good ethics, or just that they wish you wouldn’t do it. From the context of the article, my best guess as to what Pope Francis meant (though it’s still just a guess) is “You cannot make fun of the faith of others” _without expecting them to get upset and respond_. As far as I could tell, he was telling people to restrict their own speech, not advocating laws against free speech. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2015, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-religious-idea-of-the-day/709928/19 "2015-01-16T18:27:10Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > The **Pope** can’t turn the other cheek?! Ha! Good point! Still, there’s nothing about “Don’t insult/provoke people” that’s inconsistent with “Don’t retaliate when people insult/provoke you.” ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2015, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-religious-idea-of-the-day/709928/20 "2015-01-16T19:45:49Z")
Well, well! The [little snit who woke up from a coma saying he went to heaven](http://newsfeed.gawker.com/little-boy-who-claimed-to-die-and-visit-heaven-admits-h-1679811262) recants his entire story! Why anyone would believe something written by a person named “Malarkey” is beyond me. 😃 [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-religious-idea-of-the-day/709928.md?page=2)