Christianity but does not …But Catholicism might. 
So do you think Catholics are not Christians ??
Did I say that? - No - I said that you could infer that the persons works were a demonstration/god used AND because god loved -
As for Revelation (no s) - that doesn’t negate what I said - as the act of preaching the gospel may be enough (as you may have had a ;‘mustards seed’ worth of faith, etc)
(you could then debate how you should need to do anything if life is a gift and heaven is due to god’s grace, etc).
Its all really simple and complicated and,well, up to interpretation and re-interpretation by just about everyone - and usually if you have to do X to get the ‘gift’ - the person that told you that either is selling something or really, really, doesn’t understand what ‘grace’ or ‘gift’ means.
Nothing in Scripture or Christian doctrine covers this- you’ve given us an unanticipated scenario! Congratulations.
Since Rome’s theologians probably aren’t going to devote much time to your problem, I’ll just guess that it depends what you’re doing with the rest of your life. When you’re not being a pseudo-Christian wiseacre, are you feeding the hungry and helping those in need? If so, I expect God would give you a pass for your jokes.
God seems like a girl who cares more about the intent rather than the outcome. If a murderer, while murdering someone, accidentally saves the life of someone about to commit suicide by stealing their gun, he’s still a bastard and will go to hell. But if someone, through genuine sincerity, accidentally causes the burning death of an entire orphanage because he was trying to rewire their electrical system and get rid of all the protruding wires, he’s still a good person at heart.
You’d go to hell, you god mocker.
No. CHARITY, not Faith, reflects in actions (and all the good works of the world are worthless if not done out of Love), but salvation is by grace alone. Man cannot save himself.
[QUOTE=Phillipians 1:15-18]
Some indeed preach Christ from envy and rivalry, but others from good will. 16 The latter do it out of love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel; 17 the former proclaim Christ out of partisanship, not sincerely but thinking to afflict me in my imprisonment. 18 What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed; and in that I rejoice.
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Regards,
Shodan
How to get into heaven:
One must have love for God and for others.
But:
It is not helpful for us to try to determine who are saved or not.
Theoretically, you would go to that place atheists will go after this life. There, you’ll sit on a bench and watch movies about getting baptized and listen to long boring lectures on the life you lead and how beneficial forgiveness is. Then you’ll have to make a decision. Do you want to spend eternity on that hard bench watching movies about being baptized and listening to long lectures,or do you want to raise your hand and shout for glee that you’re now a believer and a Christian? If you choose the latter, you’ll board a new 787 Dreamliner and fly in luxury to the afterlife. If you say no, you’ll stand in the back of a rickety old bus on a bumpy road in the heat of summer, next to 2 perspiring wrestlers and a flatulent old lady… for all eternity.
The Gospel According to Morgenstern, Chapter II, verse XIII.
The Catholics do a lot of things that wouldn’t be considered to be under the umbrella of “general Christianity.”
Just like all squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares. You gotta have 4 equal sides to be a Catholic but you just gotta have 4 right angles to be a Christian.
Since Catholics are approximately 50% of people who call themselves Christians, I don’t think your statement holds water. Almost by definition, what Catholics do is under the umbrella of “general Christianity.”
All together now!
Oh you can’t get to Heaven
-----(Oh you can’t get to Heaven)
With pious shit
-----(With pious shit)
'Cause the great great Lord
-----('Cause the great great Lord)
Won’t fall for it!
-----(Wont fall for it!)
Oh you can’t get to Heaven
With pious shit
'Cause the great great Lord
Won’t fall for it!
I ain’t a-gonna grieve
My Lord no more!
Starting to feel like Dublin in here…
The Catholics do all sorts of things that no other sects do. I’ve never prayed to Mary or a Saint in my life, but I’m a Christian. Never said a Rosary, never gone to confession, never whiffed a whiff of incense in my church. I’m still a Christian, and so are Catholics.
My point is that just because you say “Chrisitians don’t do X but Catholics might” doesn’t mean you are saying Catholics aren’t Christians. You’re saying Catholics do things different than other Christians. In the name of Christianity.
Christians don’t wear headcoverings but Amish women do. Would you say I am suggesting that Amish women aren’t Christians? No, I am saying that in the Christian sect called “Amish” they feel it is Chrisitian-like to wear headcoverings.
Why are you trying to pick a fight?
How about “Non-Catholic Christians don’t, but Catholics might”?
Thanks, that makes sense.
Gosh, if only there were a word for non-Catholic Christians…the ones that most Americans are, you know, the sects that formed when there were lots of protests against the Church a couple hundred years ago…
We could maybe call them Protestings? Protesty People? Golly, there has to be a term that rolls off the tongue better…
Well… yeah it does mean you are saying that.
If you say Most Christians, or Protestants don’t do XXX, but Catholics might, then OK
But when you Say Christians Don’t do {whatever}, then yes, anyone that does that is excluded from Christianity.
And yes many Christians wear headcovers…
No, Catholics are certainly Christians. People who know the history of Christianity in the US, know that there is a long-standing antagonism between Catholics and Protestants. (Undoubtedly, Protestants were usually the antagonizers–remember what a huge deal it was when JFK became Pres?)
I think that antagonism has disappeared and exists now only as friendly love taps. But it’s still fun to give our papist friends a gentle noogie once in a while. That’s all that was.
There are real differences; transubstantiation, intercession of saints, authority of the Bishop of Rome, etc. But all Protestants I know find far more to respect about Romanism than we do to criticize.
(So yes, I took a swipe at Catholics; but it was a friendly one, in my mind.)
I had no idea the antagonism existed anymore as any kind of tap. So, Protestants no longer whisper that Catholics sacrifice babies on the altar these days? That’s nice.