# Stupid Republican idea of the day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 26, 2009, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897 "2009-03-26T18:48:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1023
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/20442 "2015-03-28T03:25:57Z")
Independent contractors have a near total right to discriminate. Just as every American is free to deny their services to a prospective employer for any reason, even if it’s because of race of your boss. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/20443 "2015-03-28T03:39:27Z")
Anyway, I’m fine with all bigotry in the private sector going away. Let’s have minority owned businesses suing white professionals who won’t work for them. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/20444 "2015-03-28T03:39:49Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Independent contractors have a near total right to discriminate. Just as every American is free to deny their services to a prospective employer for any reason, even if it’s because of race of your boss. Well that’s sort of true. Anyone who wants employment and went to Oral Roberts or Liberty university WON’T get a call back from me. 😃 You’re forgetting that if your examples of contractors acted in such a way and were found out, the victims have a right to sue. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/20445 "2015-03-28T03:40:39Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Independent contractors have a near total right to discriminate. Just as every American is free to deny their services to a prospective employer for any reason, even if it’s because of race of your boss. Not clear at all what you are saying, but is seems to be more nonsense: > **[Federal Laws Prohibiting Job Discrimination Questions And Answers](https://www.eeoc.gov/fact-sheet/federal-laws-prohibiting-job-discrimination-questions-and-answers)** > > Federal Equal Employment Opportunity (EEO) Laws I. > [@](#): > > Under Title VII, the ADA, GINA, and the ADEA, it is illegal to discriminate in any aspect of employment, including: > > ``` > hiring and firing; > compensation, assignment, or classification of employees; > transfer, promotion, layoff, or recall; > job advertisements; > recruitment; > testing; > use of company facilities; > training and apprenticeship programs; > fringe benefits; > pay, retirement plans, and disability leave; or > other terms and conditions of employment. > > ``` > > Discriminatory practices under these laws also include: > > ``` > harassment on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, national origin, disability, genetic information, or age; > retaliation against an individual for filing a charge of discrimination, participating in an investigation, or opposing discriminatory practices; > employment decisions based on stereotypes or assumptions about the abilities, traits, or performance of individuals of a certain sex, race, age, religion, or ethnic group, or individuals with disabilities, or based on myths or assumptions about an individual's genetic information; and > denying employment opportunities to a person because of marriage to, or association with, an individual of a particular race, religion, national origin, or an individual with a disability. Title VII also prohibits discrimination because of participation in schools or places of worship associated with a particular racial, ethnic, or religious group. > > ``` > > Employers are required to post notices to all employees advising them of their rights under the laws EEOC enforces and their right to be free from retaliation. Such notices must be accessible, as needed, to persons with visual or other disabilities that affect reading. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/20446 "2015-03-28T03:41:02Z")
Absolutely. I have no problem with that. The courts are the best venue for balancing conflicting rights claims. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/20447 "2015-03-28T03:42:57Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Not clear at all what you are saying, but is seems to be more nonsense: > > [Federal Laws Prohibiting Job Discrimination Questions And Answers | U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission](http://www.eeoc.gov/facts/qanda.html) What I’m saying is that the civil rights laws that apply to corporations do not apply the same way to workers who are in business for themselves. Just as you can deny your services to an employer for any reason you choose, an independent contractor can also pick and choose their clients for any reason. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/20448 "2015-03-28T03:43:39Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Expecting a wedding planner to actively aid in the committing of a sin Please provide the legal definition of “committing a sin” please ? > [@](#): > > would be like forcing lawyers to take cases they are morally opposed to. Well **Rand Rover** ’s not been seen in a while, but if he was he’d tell you aaaaall about the pro bono work he’s morally outraged to have to do on account of being a self-involved twat. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/20449 "2015-03-28T03:43:49Z")
On the upside, with social media exposure bigoted businesses will get outed quite promptly, so they can be boycotted _just_ as promptly. Put their miserable asses out of business fast. Then listen to their cries of “Discrimination!” Hypocritical bastards, the whole lot of them. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/20450 "2015-03-28T03:44:09Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Anyway, I’m fine with all bigotry in the private sector going away. Let’s have minority owned businesses suing white professionals who won’t work for them. Another stupid point, and we are in the same day still. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/20451 "2015-03-28T03:46:54Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > What I’m saying is that the civil rights laws that apply to corporations do not apply the same way to workers who are in business for themselves. Just as you can deny your services to an employer for any reason you choose, an independent contractor can also pick and choose their clients for any reason. And in general I can see in the places that could happen that then the independent contractors that are not discriminating get more work; your concern trolling is really pathetic, and a third stupid idea, keep it up and then we can have our quota made for the year. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/20452 "2015-03-28T03:47:23Z")
Oh boy, **adaher** is back in this thread, where is my shovel? Could someone please buy him an economy-sized pack of Depends? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/20453 "2015-03-28T03:53:10Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Please provide the legal definition of “committing a sin” please ? That’s the whole point. That’s up to the individual. Individuals may not be forced to violate their religion, to commit a sin in their view, without a compelling government interest to justify it. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/20454 "2015-03-28T03:53:54Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Absolutely. I have no problem with that. The courts are the best venue for balancing conflicting rights claims. Sure. Six to twelve months for a trial that screws up wedding plans, the contractor’s future employment, totally unnecessary court fees for both contractor & victim’of religious bullshit where your contractor WILL LOSE his business… Wow. Better idea: let’s make a rule where we can make that kind of baseless, religious, and tactless behavior illegal. Save the courts for hard crimes. No? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/20455 "2015-03-28T03:54:49Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > On the upside, with social media exposure bigoted businesses will get outed quite promptly, so they can be boycotted _just_ as promptly. Put their miserable asses out of business fast. Then listen to their cries of “Discrimination!” > > Hypocritical bastards, the whole lot of them. For many businesses, this is true and it’s the appropriate way to handle things. Well, I don’t know about appropriate, but it’s consistent with the 1st amendment. However, it won’t affect businesses that legitimately cater to people of faith. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/20456 "2015-03-28T03:58:20Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > Sure. Six to twelve months for a trial that screws up wedding plans, the contractor’s future employment, totally unnecessary court fees for both contractor & victim’of religious bullshit where your contractor WILL LOSE his business… > > Wow. Better idea: let’s make a rule where we can make that kind of baseless, religious, and tactless behavior illegal. Save the courts for hard crimes. No? You know what screws up wedding plans? Hiring a wedding planner who doesn’t want to do your wedding. There’s a reason that anti-discrimination laws don’t apply to ALL cases. One of those being there are many times when you really, really, want to avoid forcing someone who doesn’t want to associate with you to do so. The reason we don’t force attorneys to take cases is because you’ll lose if they don’t want the case. But hey, let’s change the laws so that independent contractors can’t refuse anyone who can pay. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/20457 "2015-03-28T04:00:54Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > For many businesses, this is true and it’s the appropriate way to handle things. Well, I don’t know about appropriate, but it’s consistent with the 1st amendment. > > However, it won’t affect businesses that legitimately cater to people of faith. No. Only the most powerful existence in the universe will effect such businesses: The almighty dollar. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/20458 "2015-03-28T04:01:25Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > People have the right to conduct their for profit business according to their religious values. . . . There actually are churches that teach that black people suffer from the Mark of Cain and the Curse of Canaan. Are you really sure you want to restore Jim Crow laws under the pretense of “religious freedom?” (Meanwhile, I’m denied my right, as a worshipper of Kali, to go out and murder strangers alongside the road. Pure discrimination!) ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/20459 "2015-03-28T04:02:11Z")
If it was just about the dollar, they’d already be catering to the general public rather than just Christians, or Muslims, or Jews. It’s mainly outsiders who want to make the dollar supreme, as in if you try to make a dollar, you lose your 1st amendment rights. That’s a very strange and ignorant concept. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/20460 "2015-03-28T04:05:02Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > There actually are churches that teach that black people suffer from the Mark of Cain and the Curse of Canaan. Are you really sure you want to restore Jim Crow laws under the pretense of “religious freedom?” > > (Meanwhile, I’m denied my right, as a worshipper of Kali, to go out and murder strangers alongside the road. Pure discrimination!) Civil rights laws apply to public accomodations. You cannot be denied service at a public establishment because of your race, sex, religion, disability, etc. The rules for independent contractors are different. If they come to your house, or another place of your choosing, they have the right to decide not to come for any reason or no reason. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/20461 "2015-03-28T04:06:59Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Anyway, I’m fine with all bigotry in the private sector going away. Let’s have minority owned businesses suing white professionals who won’t work for them. If someone refuses to provide services to a company because that company is minority-owned, then, yes, that needs to be settled by an equal opportunity lawsuit. Say you’re a minority, and you run a car parts shop, and I’m a sign painter, and I refuse to paint the logo on your wall, because you’re a minority. That’s improper, and worthy of a lawsuit. Exactly the same as the wedding planner who refuses to work for the gay couple. Seems like you’re actually on our side here. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897.md?page=1022) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897.md?page=1024)