# Stupid Republican idea of the day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 26, 2009, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897 "2009-03-26T18:48:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1025
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/20482 "2015-03-28T05:54:51Z")
> [@](#): > > You simply cannot force someone to be somewhere they don’t want to be, with people they don’t want to be with, as a matter of law, unless there is a compelling government interest. Saving people from being butthurt because this plumber won’t come to their house but another one will is not a compelling government interest. It seemed to be when black people were on the side of butthurtedness. > [@](#): > > We protect people from discrimination not to spare their feelings, but so that they can fully participate in society. Yup. Live like anybody else, among everybody else, get married, have kids… > [@](#): > > A wedding planner turning down your business does not hurt you in any way, shape, or form, other than your feelings. If they’re the only wedding planner in town, it sure does. If their example inspires every other wedding planner, and every other businesses in town to follow suit, it sure does. If it participates in a climate where even EMTs use these laws to [refuse to help gay people](http://www.callthecops.net/paramedics-able-refuse-service-based-religious-views/), then it doubly fucking doodly sure does. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/20483 "2015-03-28T06:06:15Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > It seemed to be when black people were on the side of butthurtedness. I assure you, it is still legal to butthurt people in many ways on the basis of their race. > [@](#): > > Yup. Live like anybody else, among everybody else, get married, have kids… And the courthouses are open to all gay couples in states with legal gay marriage. I’m sure the gay wedding planner industry will be burgeoning. > [@](#): > > If they’re the only wedding planner in town, it sure does. If their example inspires every other wedding planner, and every other businesses in town to follow suit, it sure does. If it participates in a climate where even EMTs use these laws to [refuse to help gay people](http://www.callthecops.net/paramedics-able-refuse-service-based-religious-views/), then it doubly fucking doodly sure does. And the company can be sued, and Dancer will win. Even with this law in place. A) It’s a corporation, b) getting your life saved is a compelling interest of government. BTW, the fault goes to the media for intentionally misrepresenting what these laws do. Those bigoted paramedics got their false information from false reporting. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/20484 "2015-03-28T06:11:50Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > the issue is lying about whether you’ll interfere with religious practice in this case. Don’t say that a change doesn’t threaten religion when the plan is actually to threaten religion > > If one has the courage of their moral convictions, then they can be up front about their intentions. I never understood why gay rights supporters were swearing up and down that nothing about gay marriage would violate anyone’s religious beliefs. They went so far as to say that it wouldn’t affect ANYBODY who wasn’t interesting in getting a gay marriage. > > **Now we see otherwise. Anyone associated with the marriage industry is supposed to participate now.** Bullshit. The PARTY industry is another matter altogether. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/20485 "2015-03-28T06:16:09Z")
Okay, so if you don’t like gay marriage, don’t get gay married. guess that slogan’s defunct now. I don’t know why it was so hard to just admit that infringing on people’s beliefs was the plan all along and that we’re going to go a lot farther than this. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/20486 "2015-03-28T06:20:06Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > That’s an interesting way of looking at it. Religion is sacroscant under our Constitution, but the people who practice it have no such rights? How does that square with liberal opposition to Citizens United on the logic that corporations aren’t people? How can a religion have rights? **It’s** FOLLOWERS have rights. Yikes. First you use “illegal” as a noun (in the 2016 GOP candidates thread in Elections). Now you’re putting apostrophes into possessive pronouns. It’s almost as if you WANT people to conclude that nothing you have to contribute has any value. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/20487 "2015-03-28T06:23:32Z")
I get it. Rights are whatever liberals say they are. They abandoned the “People have 1st amendment rights” about 10 months after Citizens United when actual people started contributing big bucks. That’s why liberals will always be a tiny, loud minority that huddles into enclaves like this one. They have a long history of using whatever tactics are at hand to win. Say anything they need to say, make any deal they need to make, and then renege on it as soon as the time is right. All promises have an expiration date. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/20488 "2015-03-28T06:28:59Z")
Oh, and BTW, here’s something for you: [https://dictionary.search.yahoo.com/search;\_ylt=A0LEVxDuSRZVqxAAWZFXNyoA;\_ylu=X3oDMTExb2dlZTF1BGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDREZENl8xBHNlYwNzYw--?p=illegal&fr=yfp-t-901](https://dictionary.search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0LEVxDuSRZVqxAAWZFXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTExb2dlZTF1BGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDREZENl8xBHNlYwNzYw--?p=illegal&fr=yfp-t-901) Illegal Definition > **[Yahoo Search - Web Search](https://search.yahoo.com/)** > > The search engine that helps you find exactly what you're looking for. Find the most relevant information, video, images, and answers from all across the Web. adj. adjective ``` 1. Prohibited by law. 2. Prohibited by official rules. an illegal pass in football. 3. Unacceptable to or not performable by a computer. an illegal operation. ``` n. noun ``` 1. A person who is not legally authorized to live and work in a country. ``` ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/20489 "2015-03-28T06:33:50Z")
The thread for conservatives to try and argue that liberals suck is further down the list. Every post you make in this thread, **adaher** , simply adds (at least) one more to the number of Stupid Ideas present. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/20490 "2015-03-28T06:35:21Z")
We should all be able to at least agree that RFRA-type laws are not stupid Republican ideas. The original one passed by a huge margin and Democrats won’t have the cojones to amend it for quite some time. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/20491 "2015-03-28T06:42:40Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Oh, and BTW, here’s something for you: > > [illegal - Yahoo Search Results](https://dictionary.search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0LEVxDuSRZVqxAAWZFXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTExb2dlZTF1BGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDREZENl8xBHNlYwNzYw--?p=illegal&fr=yfp-t-901) > > Illegal Definition > [dictionary.search.yahoo.com](http://dictionary.search.yahoo.com) > > adj. adjective > > ``` > 1. Prohibited by law. > 2. Prohibited by official rules. an illegal pass in football. > 3. Unacceptable to or not performable by a computer. an illegal operation. > > ``` > > n. noun > > ``` > 1. A person who is not legally authorized to live and work in a country. > > ``` Show me all the dictionary entries you like. Anyone who USES it as a noun perforce signals a willingness to view and treat people as things; and forfeits any right to have his political opinions respected or taken seriously. In other words, my first complaint wasn’t with your grammar. It was with your morals. See if I ever agree to cater YOUR parties. 😛 😃 ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/20492 "2015-03-28T06:43:41Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > We should all be able to at least agree that RFRA-type laws are not stupid Republican ideas. The original one passed by a huge margin and Democrats won’t have the cojones to amend it for quite some time. Even your idea that we should all agree here is stupid, most of the Democrat organizations, human rights and even several religious groups are not amused. > **[RFRA reaction ranges from 'sad day' and 'harmful' to 'right thing to do'](https://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2015/03/26/religious-freedom-bill-reaction-sad-day-harmful-blatantly-disciminatory/70487072/)** > > Freedom Indiana, ACLU condemn Indiana's passage of religious freedom bill but 'pro-life' supporters, other groups show support > [@](#): > > "There are just as many, and possibly even more, reasons to oppose this bill on the basis of Jewish, Christian or Muslim principles, as to support it. Some of the news reporting on this bill is getting this issue right. See, for example, the Disciples of Christ’s statement not to hold conventions in Indianapolis. > > “In both the Jewish and Christian versions of the Bible, protection of, solidarity with and hospitality for the stranger, the foreigner and the one with whom you disagree are stressed. Think here, for Christians, of the lessons of Jesus sharing meals with social outcasts. Consider also, for both Jews and Christians, the lesson of the story of Sodom — which was not considered a story about same-sex eroticism — that the people of Sodom are punished for violating the code of hospitality. Throughout the rest of the Jewish and Christian versions of the Bible, the lessons of this story are the importance of hospitality to strangers — those who are different — and the problem with ignoring the poor, the vulnerable and the needy.” > > — Joseph Marchal, a religious studies professor at Ball State University > [@](#): > > “Is it going to help the business community? Shouldn’t the legislators be passing bills that help the business community, not hurt us?” > > “My great-grandmother, Rebecca Shapiro, once said: The only bad customer is the one that doesn’t come in. On a personal basis, these types of legislation, it’s very difficult for somebody being Jewish. I think it helps foster anti-Semitism and a lack of tolerance.” > > — Brian Shapiro, owner of Shapiro’s deli > [@](#): > > "In the face of opposition from Indiana’s LGBT community, Indiana’s business community, and the majority of Americans who believe a business should not be able to refuse services to individuals because they are gay or lesbian, Governor Mike Pence and the Republican Party decided to move forward with a damaging bill that turns back the clock on the progress we have made for LGBT equality. > > "By signing this blatantly discriminatory bill that will only drive business out of his state, Pence reminds every Hoosier and every American that the Republican Party is more focused on its ideological social agenda than it is on expanding opportunity for the middle class and growing our economy. > > "And the fact is, Republican presidential hopeful Mike Pence is far from alone on this issue. Jeb Bush, Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, and Marco Rubio have all voiced support for similar legislation and policies that would give businesses the right to refuse services to LGBT people. Just imagine if these politicians had the chance to bring this dangerous and divisive agenda to the White House. > > “So while Republicans applaud Mike Pence for allowing Indiana businesses to discriminate against the LBGT community, Democrats will continue to stand with our community and fight for a more inclusive society in Indiana and across the country.” > > — Ray Buckley, Democratic National Committee vice chairman ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/20493 "2015-03-28T06:53:46Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Show me all the dictionary entries you like. Anyone who USES it as a noun perforce signals a willingness to view and treat people as things; and forfeits any right to have his political opinions respected or taken seriously. a) liberals do not get to decide what our language is to be. b) They call themselves illegales on occasion. Oh wait, is that a thing that only they can say to each other? It’s so hard to remember the rules. Oh wait! I don’t have to obey any rules! Liberals don’t have the power or the right to make any rules! Oh, I love the Constitution so much.😃 ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/20494 "2015-03-28T06:59:26Z")
Doesn’t reduce the validity of what I said. It’s still true. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/20495 "2015-03-28T07:08:51Z")
No, you’re right, it doesn’t reduce the validity of what you said. It’s an interesting debate to have. Where you go wrong is in thinking it’s a truth, when it’s not. It is just as moral to call someone illegal as to call someone a doctor, or a convict, or an athlete. Their presence is illegal. Some say they should be referred to as undocumented, but that’s actually false. They are usually documented. The documents are just fake, compounding the illegality(and turning their civil violation into a federal felony). There are many situations where we conservatives bitch about PC-ness when we shouldn’t. This isn’t one of them. “Illegal” is a fair desciptor for a class of people who are present in this country in violation of our laws. “Undocumented” is false. So until you can come up with a nicer descriptor that is actually accurate, you don’t have much of a moral leg to stand on. Sensitivity is a wonderful thing. Lying in the name of sensitivity is not. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 7:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/20496 "2015-03-28T07:30:12Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I get it. Rights are whatever liberals say they are. They abandoned the “People have 1st amendment rights” about 10 months after Citizens United when actual people started contributing big bucks… “I’ll be there, Ma. Wherever an oppressed. job creator struggles to let his money’s voice be heard, I’ll be there, Ma…” ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/20497 "2015-03-28T07:35:40Z")
So the rich don’t have rights because they need them less? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/20498 "2015-03-28T07:39:30Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > So the rich don’t have rights because they need them less? The rich don’t have _more rights_, you simpering twat. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/20499 "2015-03-28T07:44:14Z")
We agree on that. At least we did in the first months after Citizens United. Then things changed. You’d think that one’s interpretation of the 1st amendment wouldn’t change after just a few months. No wonder liberals complain about following outdated interpretations of the Constitution! Their interpretations change on practically a weekly basis! ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/20500 "2015-03-28T09:56:25Z")
Some countries lead the way in human rights, while others struggle along, and yet others work actively against human rights. Pity that republicans are holding your country’s social development back. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 10:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/20501 "2015-03-28T10:05:00Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I get it. Rights are whatever liberals say they are. They abandoned the “People have 1st amendment rights” about 10 months after Citizens United when _ **actual people** _ started contributing big bucks. “Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission is a U.S. constitutional law case dealing with the regulation of campaign spending by _ **organizations** _.” Do you need help with dictionaries, **adaher**? I’ve underlined a few words to help you get started. > [@adaher](#): > > That’s why liberals will always be a tiny, loud minority that huddles into enclaves like this one. 😛 I guess it’s true that SDMB is “to the left” of comments at right-wing blogs, YouTube, etc., but anyone who thinks this is a “liberal enclave” is so far out-of-touch as to be a joke. I guess **adaher** gets his knowledge from Fox, Washington Times, etc. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897.md?page=1024) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897.md?page=1026)