# Stupid Republican idea of the day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 26, 2009, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897 "2009-03-26T18:48:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1244
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/24862 "2015-10-14T17:30:49Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > > [@JRDelirious](#): > > > > > [@jsgoddess](#): > > > > > > Racism exists because we have sin? How does that work? > > > > Ok that one has pretty straight Christian theology roots - everything bad in the world happens because sin entered the world in The Fall From Eden. > > > > But that’s a problem of the Universe, not of America. > > > > How in blazes something like that can be addressed through policy is an exercise for the student. > > I’m sure he means that America \*today \*has too much sin - what with all the gays and the abortions and the yadda yadda. But how \*that \*leads to racism is left as an exercise to the crazy reader. Hell, I’m shaky on my American chronology but I’m still preeeetty sure [this](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/Duluth-lynching-postcard.jpg) (warning, graphic & disturbing) predates [that](https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/d1/dd/8f/d1dd8f33c2ba735897298f272b9d0a77.jpg) (warning, cute as hell). And don’t get me started on the fucking Samaritans. Buncha lazy no-goodniks, them. I have a somewhat vague recollection from (1950s white-bread Catholic) grade school that the Mark of Cain turned him black. So while sin in general stemmed from Adam & Eve, the fact that there are different races — and therefore racism — stemmed from the specific sin of Cain. Which makes every bit as much sense as 98.6% of what is being spouted by GOP candidates this time around. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/24863 "2015-10-14T17:51:44Z")
> [@OttoDaFe](#): > > I have a somewhat vague recollection from (1950s white-bread Catholic) grade school that the Mark of Cain turned him black. So while sin in general stemmed from Adam & Eve, the fact that there are different races — and therefore racism — stemmed from the specific sin of Cain. > > Which makes every bit as much sense as 98.6% of what is being spouted by GOP candidates this time around. I kind of wondered if Huckabee was going for that. I don’t know how much people generally buy that bit of bigotry nowadays. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/24864 "2015-10-14T17:58:02Z")
I’m with you. I can _see_ the crazy logic of “if we sin, God sends hurricanes and earthquakes and Justin Bieber to America,” but I don’t even see the crazy logic behind, “if we sin, God makes us be bigoted even though we must have free will or the whole fucking Christian model of the fundamentalists goes to hell.” ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/24865 "2015-10-14T18:24:43Z")
> [@OttoDaFe](#): > > I have a somewhat vague recollection from (1950s white-bread Catholic) grade school that the Mark of Cain turned him black. Which AFAIK had never been a Catholic teaching, but is rather an old racist myth. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/24866 "2015-10-14T18:33:33Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Which AFAIK had never been a Catholic teaching, but is rather an old racist myth. Which are not, of course, mutually exclusive. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/24867 "2015-10-14T19:02:34Z")
Given that everyone on earth is descended from Noah, the whole racist mark of Cain thing kind of falls flat. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/24868 "2015-10-14T19:21:14Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Given that everyone on earth is descended from Noah, the whole racist mark of Cain thing kind of falls flat. Isn’t it the more common myth that black skin arose out of the Curse of Ham (son of Noah)? (Which is itself a misnomer because Noah actually cursed Ham’s son Canaan.) ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/24869 "2015-10-14T19:34:51Z")
I thought the curse on ham was a Muslim and Jewish thing ? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/24870 "2015-10-14T19:35:32Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Given that everyone on earth is descended from Noah, the whole racist mark of Cain thing kind of falls flat. I thought the story was that one of Noah’s sons saw him naked and was given to the others to be a servant, and you knew who his descendants were because they were black, and therefore all people who were black were meant to serve the descendants of the other two sons, who weren’t black, because they righteously turned their eyes away from his drunken nakedness. Or something like that. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/24871 "2015-10-14T19:41:41Z")
[Former Arizona GOP leader is all for the Second Amendment-- so long as blacks are disarmed.](http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/10/14/arizona-gop-leader-take-guns-away-from-blacks-as-they-are-the-main-killers/) ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/24872 "2015-10-14T19:42:09Z")
I’d give an award to the guy who looked at a 600 year old naked man and didn’t turn away. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/24873 "2015-10-14T19:43:13Z")
Former Arizona GOP head - “[The best way to end the slaughter of young black men is to take guns away from blacks](http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/10/14/arizona-gop-leader-take-guns-away-from-blacks-as-they-are-the-main-killers/).” ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/24874 "2015-10-14T19:43:58Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Former Arizona GOP head - “[The best way to end the slaughter of young black men is to take guns away from blacks](http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/10/14/arizona-gop-leader-take-guns-away-from-blacks-as-they-are-the-main-killers/).” Beat you by two minutes! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/24875 "2015-10-14T20:25:41Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > I thought the story was that one of Noah’s sons saw him naked and was given to the others to be a servant, and you knew who his descendants were because they were black, and therefore all people who were black were meant to serve the descendants of the other two sons, who weren’t black, because they righteously turned their eyes away from his drunken nakedness. Or something like that. > **[Curse of Ham](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham)** > > In the Book of Genesis, the curse of Ham is described as a curse which was imposed upon Ham's son Canaan by the patriarch Noah. It occurs in the context of Noah's drunkenness and it is provoked by a shameful act that was perpetrated by Noah's son Ham, who "saw the nakedness of his father". The exact nature of Ham's transgression and the reason Noah cursed Canaan when Ham had sinned have been debated for over 2,000 years. > The story's original purpose may have been to justify the biblical subjecti... For those who, like me, suffer the temptations of curiosity… ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/24876 "2015-10-14T20:35:28Z")
> [@](#): > > …At a campaign stop in rural Iowa on Wednesday, Republican presidential candidate Ted Cruz told ThinkProgress that activists with the Black Lives Matter movement — people who have been peacefully protesting the murder of black men and women by law enforcement — are “literally suggesting and embracing and celebrating the murder of police officers.”… Shut up, Ted. Just shut the fuck up. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/24877 "2015-10-14T21:10:39Z")
[Jan Mickelson doubles down on the pro-slavery side;](http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/10/14/ias-jan-mickelsons-criminal-justice-reform-sell/206155) > [@](#): > > Mickelson brought up a story of a woman unable to pay restitution on money she stole from her employer. Referencing “anyone who steals,” he suggested the adoption of a new type of system that mimics the chapter Exodus in the Bible, which calls for those who are unable to pay restitution to be “sold to pay for their theft” at a “slave market” and profits made from the sale should go to pay for the criminal’s restitution. > > After a commercial break Mickelson stated for the benefit of “you guys at Media Matters” he was not talking about illegal “chattel slavery” but instead “indenturing people” because “if somebody is a thief and they have to make restitution – and that’s what justice is – if they don’t have any money, Exodus says, Moses said, [and] God said they must be sold for their theft”. Because, you know, that makes it _so_ much better that you’re advocating for debtor’s prisons and slave auctions. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/24878 "2015-10-14T21:59:02Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > I’m waiting for the news that she’s been using birth control the whole time she’s been preaching abstinence. Did you miss this one? " Stupid Republican idea of the day Views: 2,400,155 Posted By boytyperanma Bristol Palin is going to take a break from… Bristol Palin is going to take a break from advocating Abstinence Only education and would like some privacy as she is pregnant again. She still isn’t married." Note the “pregnant again”. Or she was doing it wrong with the birth control. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/24879 "2015-10-14T22:08:46Z")
> [@smithsb](#): > > Did you miss this one? > > " Stupid Republican idea of the day > Views: 2,400,155 > Posted By boytyperanma > Bristol Palin is going to take a break from… > > Bristol Palin is going to take a break from advocating Abstinence Only education and would like some privacy as she is pregnant again. She still isn’t married." > > Note the “pregnant again”. Or she was doing it wrong with the birth control. The first time, she wasn’t an abstinence advocate. Since then, she made a public promise to not have pre-marital sex ever again and made a buttload of cash promoting abstinence only education. She was due to get married and decided to start early. The question is: Was she truly abstinent up to that point or was she secretly using birth control (and having sex) while promoting abstinence during the past few years? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/24880 "2015-10-14T23:35:25Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Shut up, Ted. Just shut the fuck up. So what’s the problem? I thought we were supposed to congratulate citizens for good shootin’ when they managed to nail a Jack-Booted Government Thug! ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/24881 "2015-10-15T02:56:42Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > The first time, she wasn’t an abstinence advocate. Since then, she made a public promise to not have pre-marital sex ever again and made a buttload of cash promoting abstinence only education. > > She was due to get married and decided to start early. The question is: Was she truly abstinent up to that point or was she secretly using birth control (and having sex) while promoting abstinence during the past few years? Let’s not forget that the second time, as she was promoting abstinence, she got pregnant by someone other than her fiance. At least that’s what I inferred when he dropped her like a cuckolded virgin. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897.md?page=1243) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897.md?page=1245)