# Stupid Republican idea of the day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 26, 2009, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897 "2009-03-26T18:48:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1278
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/25542 "2015-11-17T13:15:31Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I’m just advocating keeping risky refugees from emigrating here. [All Paris Attackers Identified So Far Are European Nationals,](http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/11/16/3722838/all-paris-attackers-identified-so-far-are-european-nationals-according-to-top-eu-official/) > [@](#): > > All of the attackers from Friday’s massacre in Paris so far have been identified as European Union nationals, according to a top EU official. The announcement further casts doubt on the validity of a Syrian passport found near the bodies of a slain attacker. You’re at far higher risk from radicalized Americans. You’re a coward. So is Cruz. So is Huckabee. So is Carson. So is Trump. So is Rubio. So is Bush. Ditto for the Governors trying to block the refugees. ---
**Author:** ![howye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9adbd/32.png) [@howye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/howye)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/25543 "2015-11-17T13:22:47Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Internment was wrong and FDR is still a hero of Democrats because Social Security. And you call me scum. > > I’m just advocating keeping risky refugees from emigrating here. > > But what’s more disturbing is that you’re not willng to take responsibility. I’m the bad guy for not getting on board with being willing to trade American lives for whatever the hell it is you believe in. You are. So again. OWN IT. Your whining that Americans are pieces of shit when they turn your guys out of office for this will be duly noted. You are welcome to seek refuge in Germany if you don’t like it. They are taking all comers now. From the Economist: 750,000 refugees have been resettled in America since 9/11. Not one has been arrested on domestic terrorism charges. [http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21674694-america-should-reclaim-its-role-beacon-those-fleeing-persecution-and-war-yearning?fsrc=scn/tw/te/pe/ed/yearningtobreathefree](http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21674694-america-should-reclaim-its-role-beacon-those-fleeing-persecution-and-war-yearning?fsrc=scn/tw/te/pe/ed/yearningtobreathefree) ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/25544 "2015-11-17T13:33:31Z")
Adahar, what do you know about the process of resettling refugees to the US? Please learn at least a little bit. It’s not a fast or simple process, and everything is subject to extensive investigation. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/25545 "2015-11-17T13:35:35Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > But what’s more disturbing is that you’re not willng to take responsibility. This is completely bullshit. Take responsibility for what? Terrorist attacks? They’re going to happen. They are. It’s unavoidable. No matter how good our security. The U.S. is far more at risk from people who are already here than from alleged terrorists who will go through the lengthy and through vetting process that we require of refugees. The U.S., and all it means, and all it stands for, is far more at risk from pea-brained, syphilitic donkey’s asses like you cowering behind their computer monitors than it is from fucking terrorists. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/25546 "2015-11-17T13:41:15Z")
I’ve started a new Pit thread on **adaher** just to remove this hijack. [I may have been a tad miffed when I wrote it.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=775424) ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/25547 "2015-11-17T14:51:11Z")
> [@even\_sven](#): > > Adahar, what do you know about the process of resettling refugees to the US? > > Please learn at least a little bit. It’s not a fast or simple process, and everything is subject to extensive investigation. You have mentioned how refugees are reviewed–extensively–when they come to the US. Several times, in several threads. I’m not objecting to this repetition–but to those whose refusal to comprehend the information forces you to repeat it. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/25548 "2015-11-17T14:53:04Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > That letting in refugees would cost American lives is just an unsupported claim. Yes, the right-wing believes some of the refugees are murderous terrorists. That doesn’t mean that it’s true. If you actually believe it’s not true, then fine. But if you accept that there’s a good chance some of them are terrorists, then there’s no way around the fact that you’re knowingly admitting terrorists into the country. I don’t see why other posters would be so resistant to taking responsibility for that decision. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/25549 "2015-11-17T14:54:40Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I’m just advocating keeping risky refugees from emigrating here. Two of the Paris bombers were Belgian citizens. Do you oppose immigration by Belgians? How can you take that chance? If you let Belgians in, you must take responsibility for any terrorist acts they commit. OWN it. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/25550 "2015-11-17T15:03:12Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > If you actually believe it’s not true, then fine. But if you accept that there’s a good chance some of them are terrorists, then there’s no way around the fact that you’re knowingly admitting terrorists into the country. I don’t see why other posters would be so resistant to taking responsibility for that decision. Sure, it’s possible. But given that the odds are much, much greater that a terrorist attack will come from someone already here - maybe even a native-born citizen - and given that the alternative is to punish tens or hundreds of thousands out of fear of a few dozen, I’m happy to own that risk. When will you own the carnage your approach would cause? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/25551 "2015-11-17T15:05:08Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > If you actually believe it’s not true, then fine. But if you accept that there’s a good chance some of them are terrorists, then there’s no way around the fact that you’re knowingly admitting terrorists into the country. I don’t see why other posters would be so resistant to taking responsibility for that decision. There’s a much higher chance that there are terrorists already here (or future terrorists already here). I don’t believe there’s a “good chance” that, among well-vetted refugees, some are or will be terrorists. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/25552 "2015-11-17T15:05:50Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Two of the Paris bombers were Belgian citizens. Do you oppose immigration by Belgians? How can you take that chance? If you let Belgians in, you must take responsibility for any terrorist acts they commit. OWN it. We can vet Belgians. We’re also finding out that the French and Belgians themselves knew to watch some of these guys. We can’t vet Syrians. And remember, unlike Belgians, these are a people who were taught to hate in their schools from the time they were children. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/25553 "2015-11-17T15:09:12Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Sure, it’s possible. But given that the odds are much, much greater that a terrorist attack will come from someone already here - maybe even a native-born citizen - and given that the alternative is to punish tens or hundreds of thousands out of fear of a few dozen, I’m happy to own that risk. > > When will you own the carnage your approach would cause? I’d note that 9/11 involved no US citizens. Neither were the 1993 WTC bombers. Due to our natural advantage of having an ocean seperating us from that part of the world, we’ve historically had an easier time vetting people. But at least now you’re taking a real stand on principle. That I can respect. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/25554 "2015-11-17T15:12:10Z")
Why can’t we vet Syrians? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/25555 "2015-11-17T15:18:07Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > And remember, unlike Belgians, these are a people who were taught to hate in their schools from the time they were children. You don’t know that. This pathological fear of Syrians is beginning to sound like the ebola panic we had last year. People overreacted and started quarantining doctors and nurses without cause, and spread fear unnecessarily. It must be a sad scary place inside your head. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/25556 "2015-11-17T15:26:16Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Why can’t we vet Syrians? How? Call up Syrian law enforcement, ask if these guys got records? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/25557 "2015-11-17T15:27:48Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > these are a people who were taught to hate in their schools from the time they were children. Typical of the dehumanizing propaganda we’ve seen in any time of war or widespread fear. It’s easier to hate and fear someone you decide not to credit with being human. The propagandists count on people sliding into that mode of thought; it serves their purposes, whether they’re governments at war or political parties campaigning before a major election. Fox will end that shit after 11/8/16, and _maybe_ you will too. But your susceptibility to it will not end. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/25558 "2015-11-17T15:28:11Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > You don’t know that. > > This pathological fear of Syrians is beginning to sound like the ebola panic we had last year. People overreacted and started quarantining doctors and nurses without cause, and spread fear unnecessarily. It must be a sad scary place inside your head. No condemnation for Democrats pushing gun control I see? Oh wait, you’re fearmongering is just sensible precaution. Besides, I’m not fearful at all. I’m not at risk. The places that take them will be at risk. So stop whining. There’s plenty of room in the seven states that have said “yes” to accomodate 10-50K. If you’re willing to take on the risk, more power to you. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/25559 "2015-11-17T15:30:32Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > How? Call up Syrian law enforcement, ask if these guys got records? Interview them, investigate their backgrounds, interview other refugees who know them, etc. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/25560 "2015-11-17T15:30:49Z")
Gun deaths are real. 30,000 or so a year in the US. > [@](#): > > I’m not at risk. The places that take them will be at risk. You sound pretty confident. Don’t be. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/25561 "2015-11-17T15:37:02Z")
I’m pretty confident. Of course they have the right to move, but they won’t. They’ll stay where they will be cared for, and then lash out at the communities that host them because they didn’t get as much support as they think they are entitled to. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897.md?page=1277) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897.md?page=1279)