# Stupid Republican idea of the day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 26, 2009, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897 "2009-03-26T18:48:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1479
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/29562 "2016-06-13T02:02:41Z")
The Donald ’ s latest tweet: What has happened in Orlando is just the beginning. Our leadership is weak and ineffective. I called it and asked for the ban. Must be tough How would his ban have helped? The guy was born here. Unless the ban means rounding up American citizens amd deporting them to where, exactly? ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/29563 "2016-06-13T02:04:07Z")
Poland? ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/29564 "2016-06-13T02:11:14Z")
I think Trump could overplay his hand here. While some restrictions will have a certain visceral impact on those who don’t already agree with him 100%, it’s very easy to go juuuuust over the line of where most people think the government should go, and it sounds like he’s in danger of stepping over that line. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/29565 "2016-06-13T02:14:37Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > I think Trump could overplay his hand here. While some restrictions will have a certain visceral impact on those who don’t already agree with him 100%, **it’s very easy to go juuuuust over the line of where most people think the government should go, and it sounds like he’s in danger of stepping over that line.** He should be encouraged. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/29566 "2016-06-13T03:07:55Z")
I’ll just note that when the Nazi government of Germany fell our war didn’t continue with Germany. But we’ll just skip over the fate of Japan and it’s emperor and the fascists in Spain. The enemy has to be named? Well yes . . . that’s why we’re at war with Al-Qaeda, ISIS(L), the Taliban (not to be confused with any other Islamic fundamentalist political movements in Afghanistan (et al.) that we do/have supported), and a long list of other specifically named groups and persons. Some folks want this to be a “Clash of Cultures” and get some final closure on that whole Crusades thingy . . . and they ain’t all Muslims! :eek: CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/29567 "2016-06-13T03:26:40Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > “It’s more that for the German public to be rallied, the enemy has to be named. It isn’t enough to say ‘our enemies.’ We must name The Jews.” Some fellow with a silly moustache. Ah, so we don’t name the enemy. I’m beginning to see into the minds of liberals. Unless that enemy is a “sickness in American society”. Then it’s okay to paint with that broad brush. Seriously, how hard is it to say “ISIS”? Is eliminating ISIS now something only Hitler would want? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/29568 "2016-06-13T03:29:45Z")
The tone deafness of prominent liberals is incredible. It’s like they want Trump to win. News flash: When a foreign terrorist organization directs an attack on Americans, that’s not a gun control debate, that’s a war strategy debate. Tom Brokaw says Americans should say “no more”. He’s absolutely right. ISIS must be obliterated. At which point Brokaw will wring his hands and say, “These attacks are unpreventable, we just have to live with this new normal.” ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/29569 "2016-06-13T03:44:41Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > At which point Brokaw will wring his hands and say, “These attacks are unpreventable, we just have to live with this new normal.” Why not? That’s what the NRA says about mass shootings all the time. Anyway, I’m guessing that there are a dozen mechanisms in the intelligence community working like mad right now to determine how much contact the shooter actually had with ISIS. If they did anything more substantial than encourage this dude, then claim credit after the fact, I’m sure we’ll know soon enough. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/29570 "2016-06-13T03:47:08Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The tone deafness of prominent liberals is incredible. It’s like they want Trump to win. News flash: When a foreign terrorist organization directs an attack on Americans, that’s not a gun control debate, that’s a war strategy debate. The jackass in Orlando committed a crime, not an act of war. > [@](#): > > Tom Brokaw says Americans should say “no more”. He’s absolutely right. ISIS must be obliterated. At which point Brokaw will wring his hands and say, “These attacks are unpreventable, we just have to live with this new normal.” Why don’t you actually quote what Tom Brokaw said, instead of making things up that “he will say?” Or would that be too honest for you? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/29571 "2016-06-13T11:36:54Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Why not? That’s what the NRA says about mass shootings all the time. They’re also pretty expert at deflection and finger-pointing. [NRA response to Sandy Hook shooting:](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/dec/21/nra-full-statement-lapierre-newtown) > [@](#): > > While some have tried to exploit tragedy for political gain, we have remained respectfully silent. > > Now, we must speak … for the safety of our nation’s children. […] > > The truth is that our society is populated by an unknown number of genuine monsters — people so deranged, so evil, so possessed by voices and driven by demons that no sane person can possibly ever comprehend them. They walk among us every day. […] > > And here’s another dirty little truth that the media try their best to conceal: There exists in this country a callous, corrupt and corrupting shadow industry that sells, and sows, violence against its own people. > > Through vicious, violent video games with names like Bulletstorm, Grand Theft Auto, Mortal Kombat and Splatterhouse. And here’s one: it’s called Kindergarten Killers. It’s been online for 10 years. […] > > Then there’s the blood-soaked slasher films like “American Psycho” and “Natural Born Killers” that are aired like propaganda loops on “Splatterdays” and every day, and a thousand music videos that portray life as a joke and murder as a way of life. And then they have the nerve to call it “entertainment.” ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/29572 "2016-06-13T12:05:04Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > {…} Seriously, how hard is it to say “ISIS”? {…} Dude, you’re way off script. “We are not at war with ISIS (or ISIL :dubious:), we are at war with radical Islamic terrorism.” Remember, the problem is the insistence on naming the bad guys by their actual name(s) and not using a correct term that must include some variation of _Islam_ and/or _Muslim_! CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/29573 "2016-06-13T12:08:15Z")
“Islamic” is in their name. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/29574 "2016-06-13T12:12:20Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > “Islamic” is in their name. But “radical” and “terrorism” isn’t. You still haven’t explained why using the politically correct phrase has such powerful magic that it will destroy ISIS with its mere utterance. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/29575 "2016-06-13T12:17:38Z")
I didn’t actually say he had to use that exact phrase, only that he name the enemy clearly and not try to divert to make it seem like WE did this. Which he didn’t do. I thought his speech struck most of the right notes. I was taking issue with a lot of what’s on Facebook and Twitter from liberals afraid to even say “terrorism” and are engaging in classic Blame American Firstism. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/29576 "2016-06-13T12:31:17Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > You still haven’t explained why using the politically correct phrase has such powerful magic that it will destroy ISIS with its mere utterance. We just need to trick them into saying their name backwards, and they’ll get banished to the Fifth Dimension. Luckily, all we have to do is getting them talking about the [President of Egypt](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdel_Fattah_el-Sisi). ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/29577 "2016-06-13T15:47:45Z")
[Donald Trump slyly suggests a connection between Obama and the Orlando shooting.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06/13/donald-trump-suggests-president-obama-was-involved-with-orlando-shooting/) What a worthless piece of shit. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/29578 "2016-06-13T16:13:55Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > It’s more that in order for the American public to be rallied, the enemy has to be named. We don’t **need** the American public “rallied.” There is nothing the general public can do to contribute to fighting terrorism. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/29579 "2016-06-13T16:25:33Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > They’re also pretty expert at deflection and finger-pointing. > > [NRA response to Sandy Hook shooting:](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/dec/21/nra-full-statement-lapierre-newtown) The NRA loves to pretend to support things that won’t make any difference. But, let’s say violent video games actually were the source of the “evil monsters” hiding among us. Let’s say we got rid of the violent video games. No more more evil monsters, and no more need for guns, right? ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/29580 "2016-06-13T16:32:54Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > We don’t **need** the American public “rallied.” There is nothing the general public can do to contribute to fighting terrorism. IIRC, we can all do more shopping. That’s what Bush 2 said. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/29581 "2016-06-13T16:49:57Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > We don’t **need** the American public “rallied.” There is nothing the general public can do to contribute to fighting terrorism. I agree generally, but some citizen in Santa Monica made a good call. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897.md?page=1478) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897.md?page=1480)