# Stupid Republican idea of the day

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897>\
**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [March 26, 2009, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897 "2009-03-26T18:48:35Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\
**Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/30622 "2016-08-15T19:54:21Z")

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The WTC bombing in '93 supposedly would have been successful but the van was parked too far from any supports.

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**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\
**Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/30623 "2016-08-15T20:03:31Z")

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> [@Steve\_MB](#):
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> [Giuliani: No successful terrorist attacks in US in 8 years before Obama](http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/291489-giuliani-no-successful-radical-islamic-attacks-in-8-years)

I must confess I am confused. Did Giuliani somehow mis-speak? Does not seem likely. Did he actually not remember? Again, not likely.  
Did he think that the core Republicans could be fooled by this completely transparent bullshit? Most likely.

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**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\
**Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/30624 "2016-08-15T20:09:44Z")

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> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#):
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> I must confess I am confused. Did Giuliani somehow mis-speak? Does not seem likely. Did he actually not remember? Again, not likely.  
> Did he think that the core Republicans could be fooled by this completely transparent bullshit? Most likely.

Maybe he was doing math that make Republicans feel better about themselves.  
Or Katrina Pierson wrote the speech.

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**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\
**Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/30625 "2016-08-15T20:09:52Z")

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He did say “successful” attack, and _none_ of the 9/11 guys survived. So, there’s that.

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**Author:** ![Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/46a35a/32.png) [@Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_T-Bonham.net)\
**Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/30626 "2016-08-15T20:17:45Z")

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> [@iiandyiiii](#):
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> Also the shoebomber, the LAX shooting, the anthrax stuff, the Beltway Sniper, and that’s just off the top of my head.

Ah, but none of them meet the limits Giuliani put on his statement: “successful radical Islamic terrorist attack”.

Only the shoebomber was Islamist, and since his bobb didn’t explode, it was not ‘successful;’. Nor could you call the others successful either; the LAX shooter was killed, nobody got anthrax, the beltway snipers were caught, one is serving a life sentence, and the other was executed (after clemency request was denied by current Democratic VP candidate Tim Kaine).

Remember that Rudy Giuliani was a businessman, so he’s skilled at concealing gotcha’s in the fine print.

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**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\
**Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/30627 "2016-08-15T20:35:36Z")

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> [@t-bonham@scc.net](#):
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> Only the shoebomber was Islamist

So were LAX shooter Hesham Mohamed Hadayet and Beltway sniper John Allen Muhammad.

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> Nor could you call the others successful either; the LAX shooter was killed … the beltway snipers were caught, one is serving a life sentence, and the other was executed (after clemency request was denied by current Democratic VP candidate Tim Kaine).

You’re not making sense there. They successfully spread terror by killing people but were not successful because they were killed and/or captured? Wouldn’t they want to be killed so they can have their 72 virgins that much sooner?

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**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\
**Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/30628 "2016-08-15T20:53:51Z")

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> [@Skywatcher](#):
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> They successfully spread terror by killing people but were not successful because they were killed and/or captured?

“He’s a terrorist because he got captured. I like terrorists who weren’t captured.”

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**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\
**Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/30629 "2016-08-15T20:55:45Z")

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I never heard the Beltway Sniper’s religion had any part in his motive, or for that matter in the terror he generated

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**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\
**Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/30630 "2016-08-15T21:17:36Z")

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> [@Boyo\_Jim](#):
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> I never heard the Beltway Sniper’s religion had any part in his motive, or for that matter in the terror he generated

“Malvo testified that Muhammad, driven by hatred of America because of its ‘slavery, hypocrisy and foreign policy’ and his belief that ‘the white man is the devil’, planned to kill six whites a day for 30 days.” - [London _Telegraph_, 25 May 2006](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1519411/The-snipers-plan-kill-six-whites-a-day-for-30-days.html)

Okay, maybe they weren’t _completely_ successful.

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**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\
**Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/30631 "2016-08-15T21:37:32Z")

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> [@Steve\_MB](#):
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> [Giuliani: No successful terrorist attacks in US in 8 years before Obama](http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/291489-giuliani-no-successful-radical-islamic-attacks-in-8-years)

Maybe he’s trying out some of that Trump-style sarcasm?

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**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\
**Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/30632 "2016-08-15T22:21:28Z")

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Sarcasm? But he’s from New York!

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**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\
**Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/30633 "2016-08-15T22:26:45Z")

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Jack Kingston (former Congressman) has been shilling for Trump, ripping into Clinton for voting for the Iraq war on several occasions. Too bad CNN won’t fact-check him because [he voted for it too.](http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Jack_Kingston#Iraq_War)

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**Author:** ![SpoilerVirgin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4491bb/32.png) [@SpoilerVirgin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpoilerVirgin)\
**Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/30634 "2016-08-15T22:53:59Z")

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> [@t-bonham@scc.net](#):
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> …nobody got anthrax…

If you’re referring to the [2001 anthrax mail attacks](http://www.npr.org/2011/02/15/93170200/timeline-how-the-anthrax-terror-unfolded), 22 people were infected with anthrax, and 5 of them died. OTOH, those attacks have never been linked to radical Islamic terrorism.

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**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\
**Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/30635 "2016-08-15T22:59:46Z")

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> [@t-bonham@scc.net](#):
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> Remember that Rudy Giuliani was a businessman, so he’s skilled at concealing gotcha’s in the fine print.

Nah, he was a lawyer.

So your point stands. Taller, in fact.

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**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\
**Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/30636 "2016-08-15T23:10:18Z")

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> [@SpoilerVirgin](#):
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> If you’re referring to the [2001 anthrax mail attacks](http://www.npr.org/2011/02/15/93170200/timeline-how-the-anthrax-terror-unfolded), 22 people were infected with anthrax, and 5 of them died. OTOH, those attacks have never been linked to radical Islamic terrorism.

Yeah, maybe the “Death to Israel” and “Allah Is Great” lines from the note were band names or something.

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**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\
**Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/30637 "2016-08-15T23:56:58Z")

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Sometimes, murderously deranged people are less than honest about their motivations.

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**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\
**Post date:** [August 16, 2016, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/30638 "2016-08-16T00:26:35Z")

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> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#):
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> I must confess I am confused. Did Giuliani somehow mis-speak? Does not seem likely. Did he actually not remember? Again, not likely.  
> Did he think that the core Republicans could be fooled by this completely transparent bullshit? Most likely.

“Bush kept us safe” is gospel among Republicans.

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**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\
**Post date:** [August 16, 2016, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/30639 "2016-08-16T01:28:01Z")

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> [@TonySinclair](#):
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> “Bush kept us safe” is gospel among Republicans.

Yeah, and remember how pissed off they were when Trump used “9/11 was your broher’s fault” to attack Jeb! during the primaries?

If 9iu11ani is going to stump for Trump, maybe he should get the story straight. Especially since that was one of the very scant few times that something Trump said was accurate.

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**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\
**Post date:** [August 16, 2016, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/30640 "2016-08-16T02:31:25Z")

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Marsha Blackburn (on CNN) just cited [13 Hours: The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13_Hours:_The_Secret_Soldiers_of_Benghazi) to prove that Hillary left them to die.

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**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\
**Post date:** [August 16, 2016, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/30641 "2016-08-16T03:30:54Z")

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> [@running\_coach](#):
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> Marsha Blackburn (on CNN) just cited [13 Hours: The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13_Hours:_The_Secret_Soldiers_of_Benghazi) to prove that Hillary left them to die.

She also thinks that Hillary personally told Harrison Ford to stand down.

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